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Fox / Newscorp channels possibly suspended Nov. 1/Now resolved

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Pepe Sylvia, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. Oct 21, 2011 #201 of 1258
    Tom Robertson

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    Gang,

    I wish more of the numbers can be shared. They are staggering. Just incredibly staggering.

    Heck, just using the numbers we do know for this one deal, imagine if a Whopper which costs $4 today, was $5.60 tomorrow. Not $4.20, a full $1.60 more, just one day later.

    Or a gallon of gasoline went to $5.60 overnight. OUCH!

    The channels will have to stop the insanity. Or there will be channels dropped left and right.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  2. Oct 21, 2011 #202 of 1258
    Tom Robertson

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    Exactly. Fox ain't just doing this to DIRECTV. (and it ain't just Fox doing it to all the MSOs.)


    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  3. Oct 21, 2011 #203 of 1258
    RD in Fla

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    But the cost of the programming to the networks is increasing too, so somebody is doing it to them. Nobody is without blame here. I for one want the channels I pay for. Will I pay for 40 percent rate increases, of course not. At some point the market will only bear so much. That's capitalism. Isn't it grand ;)
     
  4. Oct 21, 2011 #204 of 1258
    sigma1914

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    Hopefully, you won't mind their part-time RSNs. Meaning that some nights you will be stuck watching FSNAZ games in SD. You should get cable if the channels get dropped.
     
  5. Oct 21, 2011 #205 of 1258
    tulanejosh

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    Tom i love ya, i really do, you are one of my favorite commenters on this forum, but your statement presumes that D* is being 100% above board with us re: demands for fee increases in the neighborhood of 40%. I just don't believe it's that simple. I personally work in the finance department of a very very large corporation and you can very easily spin statistics to fit an agenda.

    You are 100% correct - a 40% increase sounds ridiculously unreasonable. Too unreasonable. I know its popular to hate Newscorp, but thy aren't stupid. They understand the fundamentals of business just as much as anyone else. What's more - this isn't their first rights negotiation with a carrier. Well aware what the reaction will be to a 40% fee increase request - especially considering that former D* CEO Chase Carey is a senior leader at Newscorp. They know. So I'm supposed to ignore what common sense tells me is too convenient of a story, just because Directv tells me to?

    I call shenanigans on that 40% number. IMO, Directv is spinning that number to play on the emotions of its customers.

    I know you have close connections with D*, but cmon you have to admit something is just not right about this.
     
  6. Oct 21, 2011 #206 of 1258
    Tom Robertson

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    But are the costs to the networks going up 40%? They sure aren't paying the cast and crew 40% more each year. :)

    Yes, I do recognize that all this needs to be in balance.

    We know the end customer's magic number: 4% (give or take a bit.) So everyone in the food chain just has to work backward to limit their cost increases too--just like we customers have to limit, DIRECTV has to limit, therefore Fox, et al, needs to.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  7. Oct 21, 2011 #207 of 1258
    la24philly

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    i gotta imagine they will renew or have something, they would loose alot of customers if they didnt get a new deal
     
  8. Oct 21, 2011 #208 of 1258
    Tom Robertson

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    First off, thank you for the compliments. Greatly appreciated.

    As you indicate, part of why I'm willing to accept what I would normally find hard to swallow (perhaps even impossible to otherwise believe) is how I am also getting these numbers from another channel. I know the people to whom I am communicating and they are honest, straightforward people. They speak in clarifying terms, not in spin-speak.

    Even if the did spin, say at 100% upspin, that still would be 20% increase against an end consumer limit of 4%. We still know that can't happen.

    (And Fox isn't one of them penny networks where they might be going from 1 cent to 2cents per month. So that isn't the spin, either.)

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  9. Oct 21, 2011 #209 of 1258
    Chris24

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    With the NHL games Fox sports.How will effect CI will games on Fox be blacked out on CI.
     
  10. Oct 21, 2011 #210 of 1258
    sigma1914

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    Maybe this is why Newscorp wants so much more money...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/21/murdoch-news-corp-shareholders_n_1023740.html

    Murdoch Faces Angry News Corp. Shareholders (RECAP)
     
  11. Oct 21, 2011 #211 of 1258
    lwilli201

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    Wonder how much Murdoch's golden parachute is worth?
     
  12. Oct 21, 2011 #212 of 1258
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    Every time these 're-trans' fights gets going, whether it's 'locals' or 'national' channels (FX as an example) I say, fine:

    This is what you want for your service, what we'll do is take your channels you are asking for this increase on, and put them on a separate 'tier' folks can pay separate for (we'll call it the 'FOX tier'), and flow the 40% additional fees from the number of subscribers who will pay that extra. Period.

    Now, back in the analog cable days, doing something like this would be near (to actually) impossible. Since DirecTV has a fully digital authorization system with an integrated scrambling system (which NewsCorp owns...hmmmm, they can't complain there), it's a very easy programming hoop to jump through.

    Maybe when they see how few folks will actually pay that extra fee out of their own wallets, they'll think twice.

    Meanwhile, DirecTV will still have the channels available, and those (few) who will 'pay the piper' can do so.

    Meanwhile, it'll help send a message in the future to those thinking they can, like wall st. and bankers, simply hike the rates to help pay for their next yacht, jet plane, or 10th multi-acre estate, that not everything is so easy to do.
     
  13. Oct 21, 2011 #213 of 1258
    loudo

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    I am with you on that one.
     
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    tulanejosh

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    I respect your relationship with them, i do. And don't misread me. I am a D* fan - i expect they'll resolve this at some point. Any disappearance will be temporary. But i gotta employ Occum's Razor here. It requires far me to suspend far less reason to believe D* is sensationalizing than it does for me to believe that an extremely successful company just went bat sh*t crazy and started tossing out crazy numbers knowing full well that D* wouldn't agree to them and would result in their channels getting yanked.
     
  16. Oct 21, 2011 #216 of 1258
    tulanejosh

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    Tom - from the Wall Street Journal (admittedly a Newscorp Publication)

    "Their characterization that we're asking for a 40% increase is ridiculous," said Scott Grogin, a spokesman for Fox's networks group. Fox posted its own website Friday.

    I cannot honestly say that one side is more trustworthy than the other.
     
  17. Oct 21, 2011 #217 of 1258
    Laxguy

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    Hard to know who's posturing, who's spinning, who's got whom to answer to.

    Fortunately, Newscorp can't just play hardball, as the loss to them would be substantial if DIRECTV® ends up not carrying them.
     
  18. Oct 21, 2011 #218 of 1258
    gomezma1

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    Why don't they just show everything on fta so we don't have to go thru this.
     
  19. Oct 21, 2011 #219 of 1258
    Laxguy

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    Winters,...
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    Oh, jeez; I place my money with DIRECTV®! Not that there won't be spin or exaggeration, such as 40% might be one of the several stations, or over a number of years, etc.

    I wonder if management at our company has had their phones tapped??
     
  20. Oct 21, 2011 #220 of 1258
    tulanejosh

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    I agree that this is primarily posturing from both sides. What irks me - and if you go back several pages you'll see my point - is that Directv would have me believe that their on my side. I just... I don't know if this is the right word - but i resent the implication. They are not on my side because no matter what happens - I'm paying more. It's not like they are going to reduce my bill if they drop the networks, so in at least one scenario I'm paying more and getting less for it.
     

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