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Fox / Newscorp channels possibly suspended Nov. 1/Now resolved

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Pepe Sylvia, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. Oct 23, 2011 #381 of 1258
    Tom Robertson

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    While they can not prevent DIRECTV from receiving the signals, they can disable the receivers from decrypting the signals into video feeds.

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  2. Oct 23, 2011 #382 of 1258
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    Yep, it’s hard to imagine DirecTV’s legal department hasn’t blessed the threat – and possible downstream actuality – of pulling multiple Fox networks despite the latter’s willingness to provide programming during negotiations.
     
  3. Oct 23, 2011 #383 of 1258
    Tom Robertson

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    Regarding the "standstill" ruling from the FCC, I wonder (and suspect) that the ruling applies only to broadcast channels not cable channels.

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  4. Oct 23, 2011 #384 of 1258
    inkahauts

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    In what ways have the other channels increased what they offer?

    Kind of DirecTVs point I think. Being forced into major price increases across the board because of one channel getting better is ridiculous. And besides, if the programing is that much better, then they are already making way more money because of the advertising and rerun contracts, in fact if they let their carriage deals stay at the same price for fx, they would likely still be making more money on the channel than they ever have before because of the increased ad and syndication and DVD sales being generated by the channel. I think these increase are often far more about two things. That they want to use one good channel to support a bunch of smaller ones that can't be profitable otherwise, but that they feel can make them create a stronger brand, and two, to help the company pay for all the higher and higher fees they pay for sports. Who was it that just got the world cup, oh yeah, fox.....
     
  5. Oct 23, 2011 #385 of 1258
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    Could fox afford to loose the money coming in to drive all these stations from 20 million customers. I think itd hurt them a lot more than directv. Dish doesn't carry any sports RSNs in ny anymore, and yet. And yet they are still alive. Yeah, I think directv can loose some core channels for a period for time far longer than the broadcaster can afford for it to be off air.

    And then you also have to debate if it's even a real core channel. RSNs are, but the others are not IMHO. I will simply catch justified on DVD. Another thing that all the networks have done to shoot themselves in the foot, releasing all their shows to DVD so fast after they air, means customers don't have to have a channel to watch something in a reasonable time frame and IMHO takes away some of the necessity for broadcasters to carry their programing, kind of how theaters are up in arms over the premium vod experiments going on.

    I could lose all but my local networks and sports channels and catch everything else on DVD within a year or less of when they air on a channel. Keeps my Netflix queue full is all it will do.
     
  6. Oct 23, 2011 #386 of 1258
    inkahauts

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    !rolling

    Fox negotiating in good faith.. That's fantastic. You saw what they did to their local affiliates earlier this year, right?
     
  7. Oct 23, 2011 #387 of 1258
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    A channel that averages maybe 1.5 million viewers all day long from all providers combined, (peaking on a big day during a certain hour to maybe double that) you think that will cause a mass exodus? No. It won't, neither will any other one channel, if it's looked at by the numbers. There would have to be a larger combination of things.
     
  8. Oct 23, 2011 #388 of 1258
    Tom Robertson

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    Regarding: "Who pulled a channel", usually the rhetoric from both sides makes it pretty darn clear who pulled the plug.

    In this case, both sides are pointing fingers at DIRECTV threatening to pull the plug.

    In the Vs. dispute, both sides indicated it was Vs.

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  9. Oct 23, 2011 #389 of 1258
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    When I asked that question back in April (about YES channel..which of course never happened) I got some ...may I say ...Fluff...so I basically wanted to know a YES / NO kind of answer (not a P.C. kinda answer either) if technically there is a way to really know...I knew there had to be..doesn't mean it'll ever see the light of day and be revealed...it'll probably NEVER be known who is truly doing so..the effects are damaging to whichever party is being the hard a$*$

    take it this way ...

    I mean I can say I won the Lotto last night here in NYC...doesnt mean you have to believe me, and probably wont believe me from the get...same goes for both sides Im not falling for their rheteric retort either...
     
  10. Oct 23, 2011 #390 of 1258
    Tom Robertson

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    Why would you have doubts when the only things both side agree upon is who pulled the plug?

    The lottery analogy is limited because when the big one is won, there is publicity to back that up. We don't have to rely on someones personal claim.

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  11. Oct 23, 2011 #391 of 1258
    inkahauts

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    But that's the problem with the system. It doesn't allow you to vote for channels with your wallet. Fox wants an all or nothing approach, and thats not good for anyone but fox. Same with espn and everyone else. I don't think true a la cart is the way to go, but there needs to be more choices in building packages for all channels.
     
  12. Oct 23, 2011 #392 of 1258
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    It's not so much that prices go up, as the amount. You think directv is bad, I don't. You haven't seen the price increase of my local cable company, or what they charge for hardware. Not even a discussion. And I think that's the point. I'd rather see directv stick to 2 to 4 dollar increase for programing and not the 5 to 8 or more that cable companies do all to often.
     
  13. Oct 23, 2011 #393 of 1258
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    well when D* hints us that we may lose Fox channels...is that not them claiming what could happen...sure sounds like something I may have no choice to rely on.
     
  14. Oct 23, 2011 #394 of 1258
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    I just wish that all their contracts where up at the same time, then everyone could join diretcv and yank their channels and then fox would settle for a reasonable amount pronto if they lost all their distribution. Heck, it'd be great if they where doing Comcast and directv at the same time. Those two alone could probably for foxs hand fast.
     
  15. Oct 23, 2011 #395 of 1258
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    That would be their own fault. They don't have to pay so much for sports and create shows for their channels with high budgets, or even more importantly, create so many channels that they have to spread their good programing out over a bunch of channels and fill the rest with largely fluff, rather Than having less channels with all the good programing and reducing their distribution costs.
     
  16. Oct 23, 2011 #396 of 1258
    inkahauts

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    Fox just forced their affiliates that carry the fox network to start paying one dollar instead of zero dollars. Yeah, I think fox is asking for a massive increase.
     
  17. Oct 23, 2011 #397 of 1258
    Tom Robertson

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    The question was, "how do we know who pulled the plug?". The answer is, "by the rhetoric of the two companies."

    In Vs. vs. DIRECTV, the rhetoric of both companies made it clear that Vs. pulled the plug.

    In Fox vs. DIRECTV, the current rhetoric makes it clear that if the channels go dark, it will be DIRECTV pulling the plug.

    Now, the channels have not gone dark. And between now and November 1 many things can happen. The best would be a happy resolution. :)

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  18. Oct 23, 2011 #398 of 1258
    inkahauts

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    If directv agreed to a 10 percent increase for every Chanel every year then their rates would go up well over 20 a year, every year.
     
  19. Oct 23, 2011 #399 of 1258
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    Again, not even a third of DirecTVs customers ever watch fox news, or any of the other channels actually in question. Any claim of this kind is just off base.
     
  20. Oct 23, 2011 #400 of 1258
    inkahauts

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    Yeah, but this is the beging of those conventions as well. My guesses fox was only offering in theory to leave the current disputed channels up because they know if they wait till feb they can yank all these channels and networks and fox news and then try and get them all in one package deal to wield even more power, not just now, but in the future as well. So directv figures yank them now and force fox to really negotiate for just these channels now so that can't happen. It's all relevant since its all going to be taking place in the next three months or so.
     

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