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Fox / Newscorp channels possibly suspended Nov. 1/Now resolved

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Pepe Sylvia, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. Oct 23, 2011 #421 of 1258
    Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    While most of your post is spot on, one important point. Many contracts are renewed without any publicity. (Don't know enough to comment about how tense they are or what threats are made in the process.) :)

  2. Oct 23, 2011 #422 of 1258

    skatingrocker17 Godfather

    Jun 23, 2010
    When I had Time Warner Cable we actually did lose our local Fox station for a few weeks but we did get it back.

    I remember when TWC had a big deal ending with Viacom and on all of the Viacom channels (MTV, Nickelodeon....etc...etc) there was a message the scrolled across the screen multiple times a day but TWC worked it out. They would of lost a LOT of customers if those channels would of went away.

    They even created a website rolloverorgettough.com where you could vote on the matter.

    Let's hope DTV gets it all sorted out.
  3. Oct 23, 2011 #423 of 1258

    RobertE New Member

    Jun 9, 2006
    It is better than some of the reality stuff that is on tv.
  4. Oct 23, 2011 #424 of 1258

    dirtyblueshirt Under Suspicion

    Dec 6, 2008
    Anaheim, CA
    Very true, and I thought about that when I wrote it. I suppose I should have said "nearly every single time a contract is up for renewal".
  5. Oct 23, 2011 #425 of 1258

    wolfjc Legend

    Oct 4, 2006
    Well I have Dish & CI and last year Dish had this same problem with FOX and CI had NO HD from any FOX RSN but CI did have all the SD from FOX RSNs.
    After it was fixed the HD came back on.
  6. Oct 23, 2011 #426 of 1258

    georule Hall Of Fame

    Mar 31, 2010
    Unfortunately, it's getting to a place (and I don't just mean D* here), where a high-end customer like myself has to wonder if they'd be better served cutting down on the high-end bits and instead having two different lower-end package providers providing simultaneous service, as much of a hassle as that is. Sad, but a threat to my core stuff gets my attention, and the last few years it seems to be accelerating.
  7. Oct 23, 2011 #427 of 1258

    Davenlr Geek til I die

    Sep 16, 2006
    Well, they just ran the anti-DirecTv advert right after the World Series game. Yawn...
  8. Oct 23, 2011 #428 of 1258

    tonyd79 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 24, 2006
    Columbia, MD
    It was pretty weak in what they pushed.

    But I saw more of Neon selling Sunday Ticket than Fox talking about DirecTV. Guess it ain't worth that much to them as they didn't use the in-game spots.
  9. Oct 23, 2011 #429 of 1258
    Coca Cola Kid

    Coca Cola Kid Hall Of Fame

    Jul 19, 2009
    Mt. Morris, MI
    My local Fox affiliate kept running anti-DirecTV ads for Dish Network about the dispute during the Lions game. Yeah like I'm going to spend the time and money to switch providers to get a bunch of channels I never watch. :lol:
  10. Oct 23, 2011 #430 of 1258

    TheRatPatrol Hall Of Fame

    Oct 1, 2003
    Phoenix, AZ
    They did the same thing when Dish lost the channels last year.
  11. Oct 24, 2011 #431 of 1258

    susanandmark Godfather

    Feb 15, 2007
    There is no "right" and "wrong" in a pissing contest. Both DirecTV (under whomever currently owns it) and NewsCorp are not "content providers," they are mega-corporations beholden not to their customers, but their shareholders, who expect an ever-increasing profit margin, no matter what the economic climate.

    Whether this carriage battle, or the next, goes DirecTV's way, or not, we will still all lose. Prices will continue to increase, even as service and, quite probably, quality and options, go down. It's how our "free market" economy works and how record profits are regularly scored during what most consider the worst economic climate since the Great Depression. Real world wages, income and benefits decrease year-over-year, but corporate America continues to reach ever-greater market caps.

    None of the above is surprising or, sadly, even newsworthy--it's just business as usual. The only baffling part is that these greedy bids for more of our money by the already uber-rich can actually be couched in a good vs. evil stand off, such that some consumers are naive enough to actually believe it and "chose sides" amidst the corporations that, really, are all after the same thing: parting you from as much of your money as they can, while giving you as little as possible in return for it, at any given moment. Any other explanation is simply marketing ... Another thing we are paying DirecTV, and by extension NewsCorp, to do (i.e. bathe us in B.S.).

    If Newscorp gave DirecTV the channels for free, they'd still raise our rates. (Prefaced, of course, by a sob story of which Big Bad "made" them do it against their will.) And if DirecTV doubled Newscorp's carriage fees, they'd still ask for an even bigger increase in the next contract. (Prefaced with the "we are only giving the consumer what they want but some big meanie wants to cheat us" defense.) That's capitalism as currently practiced in America, baby. And if you're not a CEO, board member or bought-and-paid-for member of a legislature, your only role in it is as a wallet with arms and legs.
  12. Oct 24, 2011 #432 of 1258

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    Dec 2, 2010
    Didn't see it, but did note a Comca.... er, Xfinity ad after the game.

    Any West Coasties see the other ad?
  13. Oct 24, 2011 #433 of 1258

    DawgLink Woof Woof Woof

    Nov 5, 2006
    Washington, DC
    Great post.
  14. Oct 24, 2011 #434 of 1258

    thelucky1 Icon

    Feb 23, 2009
    Nice post. Sad but true!
  15. Oct 24, 2011 #435 of 1258

    loudo Well-Known Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    Central Maine
    Looks like this is turning into a mud slinging battle, between DirecTV and FOX.
  16. Oct 24, 2011 #436 of 1258

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    Dec 2, 2010
    Your view on capitalism is bitter. Companies, be they Mom n Pop, small, medium or large cap, yea, even "Mega" ones are ultimately beholden to their customers. Those which pursue short term profits at the expense of customer satisfaction will suffer, eventually go out of business. Yes, in the meantime, customers may suffer with seemingly ever increasing prices. But we all have a choice to disconnect.
  17. Oct 24, 2011 #437 of 1258

    tds4182 Legend

    Jul 17, 2003
    To quote an old proverb: "The fights are so vicious because the stakes are so small."

    There's a lot of posturing on both side here.

    In the end, it'll get settled and most of us will be (mostly) happy!
  18. Oct 24, 2011 #438 of 1258

    MadMac Legend

    Feb 18, 2008
    I'm impressed....
  19. Oct 24, 2011 #439 of 1258
    Ira Lacher

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    Apr 24, 2002
  20. Oct 24, 2011 #440 of 1258
    Ira Lacher

    Ira Lacher Icon

    Apr 24, 2002
    Excuse me, but, respectfully, you're incorrect. There's a double standard of success, and not all businesses rely on their customers.

    The mom-and-pop store or small business has to provide the best goods or services or face retribution from its customers. But publicly held corporations are more interested in two things that can have no relation to their customers: return on investment (ROI) and net operating income (NOI).

    If you boost your stock price, shareholder dividends and profit margin by eliminating three product lines, or by shaving costs by making cheaper products or by eliminating jobs, you're considered successful.

    NewsCorp. and DirecTV are both publicly held corporations, with worldwide holdings. That makes customers like you and I insignificant to them.

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