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Fox / Newscorp channels possibly suspended Nov. 1/Now resolved

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Pepe Sylvia, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. Oct 25, 2011 #541 of 1258
    Skyboss

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    I’m simply pointing out that it’s an overplayed term by an increasingly growing segment of the populous who seem incapable of understanding that it is the desire to profit that brings them a product and that doing so is not “greed” its capitalism and it’s because of capitalism that we have all of this stuff in the first place.

    Drop in the bucket.
     
  2. Oct 25, 2011 #542 of 1258
    je4755

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    I wonder how:

    -DirecTV would have evolved if Murdoch had retained the “turd bird” rather than sell it to Liberty Media three years ago (I have been impressed by his treatment of the Wall Street Journal during the intervening period, to include a Saturday edition and expanded opinion page);

    -Chase Carey’s intimate familiarity with DirecTV is affecting negotiations, if at all.
     
  3. Oct 25, 2011 #543 of 1258
    Alan Gordon

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    • I once in a blue moon will watch something on one of my RSNs...
    • I once in a blue moon will watch something on National Geographic Channel...
    • I once in a blue moon will watch something on Speed TV...
    • I once in a blue moon will watch something on Fox Movie Channel (more so if it was in HD)...

    The ONLY FOX channel I care about (other than the network, which is not an issue for me since my affiliate is not an O&O) is FX. However, aside from "American Horror Story"... which I will certainly do without to fight an increase, I'm not currently watching anything on the channel. Therefore, I once again repeat, DROP THEM!

    That being said, please reach an agreement prior to "Justified" starting back up! :D

    ~Alan
     
  4. Oct 25, 2011 #544 of 1258
    zimm7778

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    I understand and for the most part agree with everything you stated. However, the person I was responding to said it wasn't that easy in the real world which gave me the impression that there are people who think its a necessity which led to me response. Sure I'd hate to go without pay tv especially since where I live is in the Tampa metropolitan area I can only get and believe it or not I can't get NBC, CBS, or FOX with an antenna. But if I have to make the choice to as it, I can. My point to the cell phones is there are a LOT of people who think it is a necessity. Look at polls regarding it. If they are to be believed, people would lose their homes, go without sex, or buying clothes to keep their phones on. This is the type of thing I refer to when comparing necessity vs luxury. I'm not saying everyone with a cell phone is enjoying a luxury, just like everyone with the Internet isnt. I telecommute for my company and go to school full time online so the Internet is just as close to necessary in my life as shelter, food, utlities, and clothes.
     
  5. Oct 25, 2011 #545 of 1258
    Alan Gordon

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    I read it as in defense of a person's right to complain about a service in which they pay a monthly fee for.

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  6. Oct 25, 2011 #546 of 1258
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    Also, that total price probably includes the Fox o&o stations, which are mostly higher ranked markets. While they are contending this dispute only covers the cable channels, this article today says the o&o stations expire dec 31 and I am sure are part of the overall negotiation strategy.

    http://www.statesman.com/business/fox-owned-cable-networks-could-disappear-from-directv-1931964.html

    So, thats, just great.... I face the loss of Speed Channel Nov 1, FOX broadcast on Dec 31 - just in time for NFL playoffs. AND, ABC college football on Nov 1 since we have a BELO station.

    Directv just may lose a 9 year Premier plus Sunday Ticket subscriber over this..
     
  7. Oct 25, 2011 #547 of 1258
    zimm7778

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    People do indeed have the right to complain. I complain about the way NFL ST is handled as far as blackouts on local affiliates and the trouble it causes. But I get far more enjoyment out of it vs the complaints. When this tips into the others favor I'll cancel it, especially as the price continues to go up. It's just the necessity vs luxury part that got me posting. It may have to do with the subject really being a sore one for me as I was unemployed for almost a year and things like satellite, cell phones, etc were on the verge of being cut off until I got the jobs I have now. Sorry if I sounded snippy or anything. Everyone has the right to complain. I just think looking at it in perspective of what it is is important as well.
     
  8. Oct 25, 2011 #548 of 1258
    Alan Gordon

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    No worries...

    I'm just not in the "Love it or leave it" camp. If I'm displeased about the way a company does things, I'll speak my mind.

    Obviously, if the grass becomes greener with another option, I'll look into that, but as long as I feel the service I'm complaining about is better (for me) than the alternative, I'll stay and continue to speak my mind.

    Some people have a tendency to not understand that... and being quick to jump into that argument, I lumped you in. Sorry...

    ~Alan
     
  9. Oct 25, 2011 #549 of 1258
    DawgLink

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    I don't disagree that making a buck is what drives people but I separate making a buck with a greedy action. Just wanting to profit is not the same thing as being greedy.

    People are not using the "desire to profit" as the reason for calling them "greedy". They are calling them greedy for the numerous mis-steps and/or ridiculous fees/charges (depending on the company and industry) that many consumers face.

    Whether it is the phone industry at first fighting the "overages notification" that recently got dealt with by the FCC (well, it is not by any means guaranteed to be followed) b/c the phone companies loved the overages they got often or numerous other instances of these company screwing consumers to make money through other fees....those are GREEDY ACTIONS. Those are not a company just trying to make a buck....especially with the profits that AT&T and others get (I know, their expenses are high).

    I have yet to see a single poster here slam a company for making money in general.

    Then again, you may be correct. Greedy actions, ie scamming consumers, does seem to be quite common amongst most major corporations....so maybe that is what runs the country these days.
     
  10. Oct 25, 2011 #550 of 1258
    georule

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    DirecTV is the #3 consumable (i.e. no asset remaining, unlike the house or car) monthly expense in this household, after food and gasoline.

    And of course there are options short of cancelling. A premier + HD Extra Pack customer who buys the occasional PPV could become a Choice customer who doesn't buy PPV. That'd nearly cover pulling basic Comcast in here too, and thumbing noses at such games of chicken.

    But, y'know, that's a bit premature too. Nothing lost yet. And I could grind a little enamel for a week or so. Were it to settle in for a longer haul, like the Versus thing did, and I will definitely be making some moves that will result in D* making less money from me.
     
  11. Oct 25, 2011 #551 of 1258
    Chuck W

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    That's nice in theory, but when people have $$$ of dollars of cancellation fees hanging over their head if they do cancel, it's not something that many people will consider till their contract is up.
     
  12. Oct 25, 2011 #552 of 1258
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    Unless nobody blinks. My guess is that if it went for a year without those channels DirecTv might lose a few thousand and gain a few hundred less new subs.

    The only thing stopping either side from saying "Go away and never darken my door again" is fear that the results would not be good. If they were 100% sure that the results would be catastrophic they might be tempted to make an example.

    However looking at the results When Charlie did not sign up with the YES network and still hasn't BTW. Oh wait they still gain subs in the YES area, they still make a profit and haven't folded as a result.

    That leads me to think that Sports is not the Biggie for most Americans that FOX and sports fans think it is.

    I'd bet money and I'm no gambler that advertising rates are tied to viewership. November is Sweeps month as I recall it when advertising rates are established ahead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_ratings says

    Quote for the months of November, February, May, and July—also known as the "sweeps" rating periods. Seven-day diaries (or eight-day diaries in homes with DVRs) are mailed to homes to keep a tally of what is watched on each television set and by whom. Over the course of a sweeps period, diaries are mailed to a new panel of homes each week. At the end of the month, all of the viewing data from the individual weeks is aggregated.

    This local viewing information provides a basis for program scheduling and advertising decisions for local television stations, cable systems, and advertisers.
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    To me this explains why DirecTV has chosen to drop the channels at the start of November as a negotiating tactic.

    IMHO you have missed the point that it isn't 19 Million viewers, It is 19 Million potential viewers. Actual viewers will be significantly lower than that.
     
  13. Oct 25, 2011 #553 of 1258
    mreposter

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    Nothing anyone here at DBStalk says or does is going to affect this negotiation. Even if every single member of DBStalk that subscribes to Directv calls up and cancels service or we decide to all go stand outside the NewsCorp headquarters and make rude noises, it isn't going to change a thing.

    Like it or not, we're just pawns in this business negotiation. It's time to sit back and wait it out.

    IF and I stress IF these Fox channels go dark at some point and this loss of programming causes you major dissatisfaction, call up Directv and POLITELY voice your displeasure. Just like NewsCorp, you have a right to negotiate for better terms and conditions with Directv. From past experience I know that Directv will be more than willing to give disgruntled customers financial and programming incentives as compensation.
     
  14. Oct 25, 2011 #554 of 1258
    Huskie_2009

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    We could always suspend our account for up to 6 months with no money going to DirecTv during that time. :D
     
  15. Oct 25, 2011 #555 of 1258
    TBoneit

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    However they can suspend for up to 6 months and get cable that in many (most?) cases has no ETF fee. I believe they can also suspend and get a non commitment Dishnetwork package. I don't know the details but seem to recall seeing posts about it here on the forum.
     
  16. Oct 25, 2011 #556 of 1258
    DMRI2006

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    Amen. Sounds like there are a lot of "Occupy Directv" people in this forum. ;)
     
  17. Oct 25, 2011 #557 of 1258
    DaveC27

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    As someone who also subscribes to the UK Sky Channels as well as D* I'm pretty happy with the way Sky has performed and brought on new services. Though in the UK we do benefit with the satellites being owned by Astra rather than News International which means that people like the BBC are able to operate on the same satellite and out of the control of NI who then have to compete against the free offerings
     
  18. Oct 25, 2011 #558 of 1258
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    Yeah, maybe they'll give us free NBA League Pass! (no wait...) :nono2:
     
  19. Oct 25, 2011 #559 of 1258
    mreposter

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    Nope - free Showtime for a year!
    You'll get 1,947 opportunities to see Deuce Bigalow: Male Gigolo!

    ;)
     
  20. Oct 25, 2011 #560 of 1258
    Jeremy W

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    The only thing it should lead you to think is that people who don't care about watching YES are willing to sign up for Dish Network in the YES area.
     

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