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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Pepe Sylvia, Oct 20, 2011.
This is how...
Screw FOX! Tired of their MONEY grabbing mentality. If Directv got to remove them til FOX caves in...GOOD!
If I lose even one Wild game on Fox Sports North due to this bull crap I will scream at a retention rep so hard his head will explode while I cancel my service and move to Midcontinent, where I already get my internet and phone. Nothing they offer me will be able to retain me as a customer if it means Wild games on Center Ice get blacked out for me because I'm in the Wild's territory.
If I had LOS to the necessary satellites, I'd add a DirecTV subscription to my Dish subscription just to support Direct's stand. The only thing that News Corp (aka Fox) management understands is the aggressive use (and sometimes misuse) of power.
By the way, for those who haven't followed the crap News Corp has pulled on cable systems because they think they have the blind support of millions of stupid Americans, here's what DirecTV CEO Mike White had to say about according to Broadcasting & Cable:
Also, for those of you who don't know it, Fox has forced its broadcast channel affiliates to agree to pay News Corp $1 per month per subscriber from retrans fees which the affiliates will have to collect from you. Those affiliates that disagreed Fox dumped. That's how they play the game.
When DirecTV offered to keep Versus on under the same terms while negotiations were occuring, everyone here derided Versus for pulling their programming. In this case, Fox wants DirecTV to keep them on under the same terms while they're negotiating, and everyone praises DirecTV for taking a hard line stance by pulling the Fox networks.
Seems to me like everyone is just going to agree with what DirecTV does...
Easy, Killer. Yeah, that makes sense to scream at the retention rep. Because that single rep will have the ability to put the channels back on for you. Ok.
If I where you, I'd at least suspend your directv account until this is over and then turn it back on. However, it actually helps if you don't defect, and miss a few games. Since there is no NBA, I won't be missing the Lakers, UCLA FB Sucks, and USC has nothing to play for, so until NCAA basketball really gets going after the first of the year, I don't really care all that much. (hockey I can catch at my friends house who has FIOS.) If it takes more than NOV being off though, I might sign up for cable lifeline for the rsns only till its all worked out, but I hate giving money to the greedy fox people. At some point this has to stop with the rising fees. DirecTV is one of the bigger companies that can afford to take on fox and hold out, like they did with VS. These little network stations they forced into paying which had never been done before in all of OTA history, is a joke, and just causes our rates to increase. At what point do these networks see that they are just spending to much and that the public can't afford it. Sometimes, its ok for networks to not pay too much for sports!
Nope, if Fox is really saying they'd let Directv keep them on while they are negotiating, then they should, and Directv is simply wrong to do that. AT least at first glance.
However, there might be more gamesmanship in this than we see. Its possible Directv feels if they take the hard line now, loosing the channels at this time of year will be better than loosing them latter, when basketball and other shows come back on that will be more in demand by customers, and that fox would wait till then to pull the channels and use that as better PR for them. With the NBA on strike, baseball on RSNs over, this not affecting NFL at all, hockey season just at the start, they are really only hurting college FB right now, and with so many games on TV to watch, may not be hurt to bad by this in comparison to what would happen if FOX yanked them all in say March, when NHL playoffs, probably NBA playoffs are getting close if they end the lockout, and Justified as well as some other series comes back on and such.
I don't want to see my channels taken away, and if DirecTV can get them to stay on at the same rates indefinitely while they "negotiate" with these shysters, then that's what I want and expect of DirecTV.
But make no mistake, I don't want fox to get anywhere close to what they are asking. And just think about this, DirecTV, unfortunately, also needs to send a very clear message to ESPN, because the next time that contract comes up, I expect an all out war.
Also, Additional things that are probably tied into all this, digital carriage rights of channels and content, On demand, and the new PAC12 channels, as well, which fox has a stake in. It can all be related. It may be a long winter for FOX, just as it appears it will be for the NBA.
When FOX and others get to big and to many contracts, they use that as leverage to force much higher fees, sorry I mean EXTORT much higher fees, and it needs to stop.
FOX, the company that said we don't need to go beyond 480p till its super cheap to do so, if ever, because we think we are fine with what we have now with sd as it is. Yeah, They are always interested in doing whatever gives the customer the better experience.
Yeah, I love it. Found a big enough company to call out their BS in public, and make it heard, and they are shocked they got beaten to the punch on this one. !rolling
Nope, but it will make me feel better.
Sure, I dont like what Fox is doing, but if there really is a genuine offer to let the channels keep going with the existing rates while they renegoatiate, then DirecTV is punishing its customers in an attempt to punish Fox. I dont care at all about any sport right now except hockey, and I watch the Wild religiously. I honestly wish the Wild would get on a different RSN along with the Twins (screw the T'Wimps and the NBA in general, I hope the lockout lasts forever), but I doubt that's going to happen.
Stands are nice and all, and when ESPN's contract comes up for renewal I hope DirecTV digs in and plays hardball. But I dont want to have to shell out for a whole other account in order to just get my RSN. I've seen the hell that Philly fans go through, and I'm not gonna put up with that.
My degree of annoyance should in no way be interpereted as some kind of support for Fox, because its not. Its support for the Wild and an intolerance of a situation where I will be unable to watch them because of some bull crap gamesmanship.
Thankfully, I have my Fios STB to back up the Fox channels in case things don't work out.........
The manner with which this will be resolved will be like other times when these contracts are up. It will go as far as DirecTV going black on these channels Nov 1, and sometime during that day, they will come to terms. But both sides have to keep looking at each other now to see who will blink first.
And I firmly believe that DirecTV is in the right here. Rates are already at the high end of the affordable price point and what the market will bear. Any increase in the short run will lead to general decreases overall due to subscriber defections.
They can't remove these channels (that I never watch)!!!! If they do, I'll be forced to (threaten to) switch providers!!!!
I am surprised Nat Geo is affected but not Nat Geo Wild.
Nat Geo Wild should be in HD regardless.
Nat Geo Wild was only added a year and a half ago, their contract probably isn't up yet. Fox News Channel's and Fox O&O locals probably aren't either.
Thats classy. Why be a jerk to a rep that has zero control over the situation? Let's all be a little nicer to each other. :nono2:
Well, at least when all is said and done we'll get all the missing HD feeds...once the new bird is up.
The NBA lockout doesn't help Fox here. I suspect that customers will likely get free Sports Pack to access some of the college football games if the stations are pulled, leaving hockey fans to take the brunt of the sports impact.
NatGeo Wild wasn't added, it was rebranded from Fox Reality. At the time it changed, providers who signed new contracts got access to the HD feed. If carriage terms were kept under the Fox Reality contract, then no HD feed. Draw your own conclusions.
Funny and sad how there are a lot of post bashing Fox News, classy guys, that's so 2 years ago now, in internet time, that's 5 years.
I like a lot of people are willing to take D* side of this since prices do need to level off for us that are paying them in these "tough" times. That's what I think D* has going for it too. Many have mentioned that prices are high and for us end users we never want to see prices increase.
I too would miss my RSN but right now I will be playing hockey not watching, and there is always NHL Network for the wrap up.
All in all, I watch too much TV and have a crap load of movies and shows I have to catch up on so after thinking about it I won't miss too much even if it lasts 2 months. [/shrugs]