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Fox / Newscorp channels possibly suspended Nov. 1/Now resolved

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Pepe Sylvia, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. Oct 26, 2011 #681 of 1258

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    But Dish and Directv aren't even on the same playing field. They don't have anywhere near the reach that Directv does to bring in revenue, etc, because of the sports pack and other things. Plus, we don't know what all is included in these discussions vs. what was on the table for dish. Streaming for the ipad? Who knows! Totally different contracts, no way to say they should pay the same.
  2. Oct 26, 2011 #682 of 1258

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Of course, they will also save many more millions by not having to pay the fees to fox for the channels that are gone, so they will still come out ahead. Fox is the one who will loose the revenue. I will only look into supplementing my tv by adding cable for my local rsn if the nba season is played, otherwise, fox will not get me to change providers at all.
  3. Oct 26, 2011 #683 of 1258

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    I have no issue waiting 9 months, none, and neither will some other people. Heck, I talked to my folks about this and my mom said, well, we wouldn't ever have to deal with commercials2008- then, so that would be nice!

    I have enough other stuff recording, to keep me busy.
  4. Oct 26, 2011 #684 of 1258

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006

    Yep, DirecTV is yanking them now, so they can get this sorted out earlier rather than waiting till fox can yank all these channels as well as their o&O's and FNC. That would give them more bargaining power, and they want all the channels wrapped up in one package. Directv wants to negotiate without so many channels clumped together, so they can lower costs and not carry some of the channels that they don't fee are of any use, and probably also to help drive down the costs for those channels, so maybe they can keep them too.

    I feel DirecTV will have the upper hand if they drop these channels now, because then FOX will be more likely to cut a better deal on these now, and then have less to bargain with for the other contracts. Fox wants to wait so they have even more to bargain with, and I fully believe if Directv kept the channels up, and let ongoing negotiations take place, that come Feb1, Fox would yank all the channels and say Directv is being unfair and not willing to pay a normal increase.
  5. Oct 26, 2011 #685 of 1258

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Didn't they add HBO on demand during the holidays last year? So yeah, they did add something before the rate increase. Who knows how these contracts are worded in terms of when someone starts paying for new channels etc. The HBO increase could have just been coming period, as it does all the time even when when nothing changes in terms of offerings for lots/most channels, and had nothing to do with the new channels anyway. Unless you get your hands on the contract, we will never know.
  6. Oct 26, 2011 #686 of 1258

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    Oh, I'm not. That was simply pointing out I am not at all surprised that Fox was doing that. I am sure they are both manipulating their Facebook pages etc, anyway they can to make themselves look better and right.

    I wonder how surprised Fox is that DirecTV decided to stick it to them and yank their channels.
  7. Oct 26, 2011 #687 of 1258

    loudo Well-Known Member

    Mar 24, 2005
    Central Maine
    I would like to think they would, because it will hurt them both if they drop them. No income for FOX and the people that will drop DirecTV will not help in keeping the stockholders happy.

    Who will be the winner if the channels are dropped?
    Subscribers will still have to pay for the services without having them.
    FOX looses the income.
    DirecTV will still collect subscriber fees, for the channels, and not have pay FOX.
  8. Oct 26, 2011 #688 of 1258
    Jeremy W

    Jeremy W Hall Of Fame

    Jun 19, 2006
    I'm sure they're not surprised at all.
  9. Oct 26, 2011 #689 of 1258

    la24philly Hall Of Fame

    Mar 8, 2010
    i wonder how many people will cancel directv, mainly to continue watching there Fox shows and sports. Plus I doubt directv would release people from there contract
    wouldnt suprise me if people ask or try to get released
  10. Oct 26, 2011 #690 of 1258
    Pepe Sylvia

    Pepe Sylvia Legend

    May 10, 2010
    Someone mentioned watching FX shows online, but It's Always Sunny is no longer on Hulu, and the official FX site only has clips. The same is true for Sons of Anarchy.


    They do have some recent episodes on Itunes for 2.99 / episode. :nono2:
  11. Oct 26, 2011 #691 of 1258

    TBoneit Hall Of Fame

    Jul 27, 2006
    Next one up that will cost $$ will be FOX owned locals followed by Fox News Channel. Thus the line in the sand over price.
  12. Oct 26, 2011 #692 of 1258

    oldengineer Godfather

    May 25, 2008
    If D* pulls the plug on Nov 1 I'll miss Its Always Sunny... and The League but I'd rather miss them than Justified.
  13. Oct 26, 2011 #693 of 1258

    tonyd79 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 24, 2006
    Columbia, MD
    Maybe maybe not. And maybe in this one but not others.

    I have seen a ton of very nasty, critical posts on DirecTV's facebook page that did not get removed. Not that there is no manipulating but what I have seen stay up makes me think they don't do it regularly.
  14. Oct 26, 2011 #694 of 1258

    oldengineer Godfather

    May 25, 2008
    Since the Nielsen November Sweeps run from Oct 28 to Nov 24 it's no wonder that Fox wants to leave their channels up while they negotiate. I'm not usually a big fan of D* management but this time I think they've got it right. It's advantage D* for now.
  15. Oct 26, 2011 #695 of 1258

    Andy_B New Member

    Nov 25, 2002
    I won't get rid of Direc TV but I will immediately cancel the Sports Package.
  16. Oct 26, 2011 #696 of 1258
    Church AV Guy

    Church AV Guy Godfather

    Jul 9, 2007
    I thought that too, but then I was wondering if the Nielsen's cover cable channels, or do they only set the rates for "broadcast networks"? If they are used to set advertising rates for the cable channels, then DirecTV is being intelligent in dropping them now rather than maintain them during negotiations.
  17. Oct 26, 2011 #697 of 1258

    maartena Hall Of Fame

    Nov 1, 2010
    You can probably get a $5 credit for the month of November if you call and complain, or something like that. And if the channels are still offline come December, you call again.

    And if they say "no", you always have the option to say "no" back to them and bring on board another provider. But then, did you call for a discount when they took away G4? :D

    Also, in the past providers have offered a "sweetener" if this happens.... e.g, they'll throw in HD Plus Pack or something for everyone for a month, giving you more or less the same amount of channels you lost, etc.

    Personally, I think this is not one we have to worry about. They will keep on slinging mud at each other till the last day, and come up with a deal at 23:59, and sub-sequentially both parties will issue statements how happy they are with the new deal and how it is in the best interest of the customer and sugarcoat it from all sides, (DirecTV: we fought for you - Fox: We will now be able to continue bringing your favorite shows), and pretty much the next day we will have forgotten about it, and we can all go back to complaining why channel XYZ is not in HD yet.
  18. Oct 26, 2011 #698 of 1258

    Davenlr Geek til I die

    Sep 16, 2006
    And if all else fails, there is that "Showtime free for 3 months" they give to anyone that calls with any complaint :)
    Ive already blocked the Fox channels in question from my guide, just so I dont have to worry about seeing something I might want to watch. Out of sight, out of mind.
  19. Oct 26, 2011 #699 of 1258

    Sysyphus AllStar

    Nov 27, 2007
    Well this is pushing me to my limits... I've been waiting for "soon" for more than ten years, and I've been staring at the unused HD capacity for a couple.... I see my bill climbing up and up at more than double the rate of inflation and I see very little if any increased value. I see fees for things that used to be free and cost D* nothing directly.

    And now this. I assume they will of course have the decency to not bill me for Fox Soccer Plus once that goes dark (although having just paid my last bill I've already paid for two weeks worth of that which I will probably not get to see), and I will have to seriously review my need for the sports package if Fox Soccer Channel is not gping to be in it.

    In researching alternatives I just found that I can subscribe to my favorite English Premier League teams website and watch every one of their games within an hour of the game finishing, the yearly cost being a fraction more than the sports pack and FS+ costs me for a single month... I'm now on the verge of doing that instead anyway, yet I wouldn't have even been looking for an alternative were it not for this dispute... if it does go dark then Fox and D* have both lost my revenue for good.

    With deals like this available, not to mention the myriad of streaming and torrenting websites available these days, Fox and D* could end up mortally wounding eachother unless they sort this out quickly.
  20. Oct 26, 2011 #700 of 1258

    frantick Cool Member

    Sep 7, 2011
    It will all be settled and D* will use it as an excuse for higher than normal increase next January. They're working together, wait and see.;)


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