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Fox / Newscorp channels possibly suspended Nov. 1/Now resolved

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Pepe Sylvia, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. Oct 27, 2011 #721 of 1258

    ChicagoBlue Godfather

    Apr 29, 2011
    You are missing the point. The consumer's bill is getting so out of hand, if the MSO's continue to take on 40% or 50% (or in local channel disputes, 400%) increases, then customers will leave.

    When DTV is having to spend nearly $850 in Subscriber Acquisition Costs just to get one customer, they need healthy margins to recoup that investment.

    If their programming costs are going up more than 10% each year and they are only able to pass on about 4% to consumers, their margins are shrinking which make that investment into new customers even more daunting.

    This is about the future and sustainability.

    These channels are coming down, at least everything I'm hearing in the industry is these babies are coming down with 99% certainty. How long it lasts, no one knows but DTV is prepared for it to last a long time.
  2. Oct 27, 2011 #722 of 1258

    Davenlr Geek til I die

    Sep 16, 2006
    No, actually I didnt, because only the Nascar reruns and the truck series are on Speed. Everything else is on ESPN, Fox Broadcasting, or ABC except for a couple weeks of TNT.

    Ill give up the truck series before I go through the hassle of switching providers. Speed is the only Fox channel in the group I even watch.
  3. Oct 27, 2011 #723 of 1258

    DawgLink Woof Woof Woof

    Nov 5, 2006
    Washington, DC
    Leave to go where? Dish is also arguing with Fox and my guess would be that other TV companies will be arguing with them as well. I don't see another place to go that really, really saves the consumer money.

    When exactly will we see this? Because not only do I not see the babies coming down....they seem to continue to climb vertically.
  4. Oct 27, 2011 #724 of 1258
    Ira Lacher

    Ira Lacher Icon

    Apr 24, 2002
    +1. No use paying for channels I'm not getting.
  5. Oct 27, 2011 #725 of 1258

    noahproblem Legend

    Aug 19, 2009
    I think by "babies coming down" he's referring to the channels, not the prices.

    And I agree with him - I still think this will be a lengthy shutdown, along the timelines of the Versus dispute, lack of similarities to that dispute notwithstanding.
  6. Oct 27, 2011 #726 of 1258

    SParker Active Member

    Apr 27, 2002
  7. Oct 27, 2011 #727 of 1258

    DawgLink Woof Woof Woof

    Nov 5, 2006
    Washington, DC
    Oh, I see...got it
  8. Oct 27, 2011 #728 of 1258

    Huskie_2009 Icon

    Jan 12, 2009
  9. Oct 27, 2011 #729 of 1258

    bobvick1983 Godfather

    Mar 21, 2007
    NW Alabama
    Fox must be concerned that the nations second largest mulitchannel provider is on the verge of pulling the plug on their networks. Seems like they are really trying hard to paint DirecTV as the bad guy. I would expect that the loss of 19+ million subscribers (not to mention viewers or "eyeballs") might have an effect on the rates they can charge advertisers for the ads that they sell.
  10. Oct 27, 2011 #730 of 1258

    john262 AllStar

    Oct 26, 2011
    And they would be right. Most of those channels are nonstop commercial fests anyway.
  11. Oct 27, 2011 #731 of 1258
    Jeremy W

    Jeremy W Hall Of Fame

    Jun 19, 2006
    Why are you paying for them, then?
  12. Oct 27, 2011 #732 of 1258

    dwilliam_houston Mentor

    Feb 6, 2007
    Get XBMC from XBMC.org and then plugins for the channels you are missing from:


    For those that are going to miss English Football off of Fox Soccer Channel get the plugin called LiveOnlineFooty.com. I think I paid $20-$30 for the whole season of games. I have also made a plugin for Chelsea TV if there are any Chelsea fans out there.

    For those that are missing FX programs you can get the plugin for icefilms.info and see some of them.

    BTW, I have XBMC running on both an Apple TV2 and my Mac. My feeling is that I am paying to watch these channels by paying DirectTV and I am not rebroadcasting or storing the programs locally.
  13. Oct 27, 2011 #733 of 1258
    Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    Isn't there some ground between "no increase" and "40%" increase? :)

    DIRECTV is/am/be expecting increases. I'd even say, "of course they are".

    But they can not let channels demand increases more than I'm willing to pay each year. I'm conditioned to accept 4%-ish each year. Ain't no way I'm gonna accept 10% or more.

    So the MSO is my line of defense. (Thanks for the idea, Phrelin!) I am not a Fox customer, I can't affect them. I am a DIRECTV customer and I rely upon them to draw these lines in the sand. Or when the costs increase too fast, I'll dial back my programming.

    So DIRECTV, knowing this, is the only one in this fight who can be my advocate. Sure, they are going to maintain their profits too and I totally accept reasonable profits for all the MSOs. It is the competition that keeps them in check.

  14. Oct 27, 2011 #734 of 1258
    Jeremy W

    Jeremy W Hall Of Fame

    Jun 19, 2006
    You can justify it however you wish, but as of November 1st, that is not true.
  15. Oct 27, 2011 #735 of 1258

    n3vino Godfather

    Oct 2, 2011
    Actually it's against BELO Corp. who owns KENS and several other stations in the U.S. Several local stations in various cities are being affected. Some are CBS, some are NBC, and some are FOX.
  16. Oct 27, 2011 #736 of 1258

    zimm7778 Hall Of Fame

    Nov 11, 2007
    I hope it continues. I am very understanding of many things. Directv has employees to pay and with the price of everything still rocketing upward they need to pay them more to keep up with the cost of living which in turn raises our bills which means the price of everything still rockets upward which means.....well, you get the vicious cycle. However, when I first signed up with Directv in 2003 with a DVR I paid around $50 or so monthly. Now I'm paying damn near $100. Granted $10 of that is HD but that's just base programming. No sports pack, no out of market leagues, nothing. Programming costs are out of control. Something has to give or people are going to wind up cutting it off simply because they can no longer afford it. As I stated earlier, it's not mine nor Directvs fault that ESPN paid $1 billion to the NFL or FSN paid god knows what to televise what I assume are primarily second rate college football games I personally don't watch. I only say second rate because I am assuming ESPN and whoever broadcasts over the air have the major ones still.If Directv and others (not in collusion, but just separately are fed up and stand up to them) pull the channels, cause abc, fox, etc to lose viewers which causes their ad rates to drop. Perhaps they'll lower their asking price to something more reasonable and without the extra money, sports leagues and college conferences would have to take less as well if they want their games televised because again, the networks and all will have less to give them. Do I expect any of this to happen? No. If it did do I expect id see a bill decrease ever? No. But the rate of growth of that bill might halt some.
  17. Oct 27, 2011 #737 of 1258
    Jeremy W

    Jeremy W Hall Of Fame

    Jun 19, 2006
    All of the content providers have the exact same costs to deal with. It works both ways.
  18. Oct 27, 2011 #738 of 1258

    frantick Cool Member

    Sep 7, 2011
    Kurt Sutter? Don't know him. What gives him the cajones to imply that Fox (ie HE) deserves a 40% raise this year when most are getting < 2%?

    Someday content will be there, and no-one will watch. Ever hear about a CD? Pay $18 for a CD when you only want one $.99 song? Wake up Fox/DirecTV!

    I truly hope the deal is not made, ever, it gets tiring.

  19. Oct 27, 2011 #739 of 1258

    onan38 Legend

    Jul 17, 2008
    Just my opinion, I know people have their most watched channel list but i feel someone Directv,Dish,Cable needs to take the lead and shake this crap up.I love my Directv been with them since the beginning but i know with Cable or Dish i will still have a good sized bill every month. How far can everyone keep increasing prices and rolling them down to their customers i know it depends on the individual. If Directv lets say gives in and gives them 30% of Fox's 40% request is it worth $1 per customer on top of their regular yearly increase? If that happened i feel like Directv would take a major customer loss by pricing themselves where they don't want to be in the market.
  20. Oct 27, 2011 #740 of 1258

    Huskie_2009 Icon

    Jan 12, 2009
    I'm not a big sports viewer so I'll ask everyone here.
    According to that chart I posted with pricing, does ESPN really deliver more value than Fox Sports Network?

    ESPN - $4.08
    Fox Sports Net - $2.37

    I am not at the negotiation table so I can only make wild guesses here.
    DirecTv claims Fox wants 40% more for these channels. We know these channels are packaged together to sell them.

    Now let's say maybe as a whole that might be true but what if the bulk of the increase is to align the price of FSN to that of ESPN?

    DirecTv's claim of 40% would then still be true but also misleading, like their website's graphics.


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