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Fox / Newscorp channels possibly suspended Nov. 1/Now resolved

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Pepe Sylvia, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. Oct 29, 2011 #921 of 1258
    mhking

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    Help me here. I know that thus far, DirecTV says Fox O&Os are not part of the equation. But Fox (and our local O&O) says they "may" be affected.

    Are the O&O contracts up sometime in the near future? Or is this Fox trying to scare folks?
     
  2. Oct 29, 2011 #922 of 1258
    HoTat2

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    The Fox local stations contract expires on Dec. 31st and are not affected by the current dispute.

    DIRECTV has ridiculed Fox for causing FUD by misleading statements like this in their advertising even as far as launching an official complaint to the FCC.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2011/10/directv-news-corp-federal.html
     
  3. Oct 29, 2011 #923 of 1258
    Bewts1989

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    Absolutely, positively false. You're not going to lose any of those channels—they are NOT part of the current contract dispute. You will continue to enjoy Glee, X-Factor, House, Bones, and all your other favorites on FOX without interruption.
     
  4. Oct 29, 2011 #924 of 1258
    Bewts1989

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    Pulled from ourpromisetoyou.com
    FOX Myth #1: DIRECTV customers will lose all their favorite shows on FOX, the NFL on FOX, local FOX stations, and the Fox News Channel.

    DIRECTV Truth #1: Absolutely, positively false. You're not going to lose any of those channels—they are NOT part of the current contract dispute. You will continue to enjoy Glee, X-Factor, House, Bones, and all your other favorites on FOX without interruption



    FOX Myth #2: FOX can help you find other TV providers so you won't have to worry about missing your favorite channels and shows.
    DIRECTV Truth #2: Switching only helps FOX charge a higher price, and will result in a higher monthly bill for you, no matter who you get your TV service from. News Corp. and FOX are by far the most aggressive programmer in the industry. They want you to switch so they can put more pressure on DIRECTV to agree to their outrageous price increase. FOX will then take that new price to all the other TV providers, demand they also pay the new higher price, and start scaring their customers into switching service.

    FOX Myth #3: FOX says DIRECTV's claim of a 40% increase is "ridiculous."
    DIRECTV Truth #3: We absolutely agree. It's ridiculous, absurd, and greed gone wild that anyone would ask for a 40% increase for the exact same channels—in any economy. The math is simple, and just because something is ridiculous, it doesn't mean it's not true.

    There are several more of these.
     
  5. Oct 29, 2011 #925 of 1258
    WebTraveler

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    Bottom line is that some of these niche channels need to be pulled off into a new higher tier package. Therefore, those that want these channels, can have them.

    For example, Speed has dismal ratings on a daily basis, but peaks with a few performances a year. There are, of course, some diehard fans, that really love the channel.

    But if we're faced with the rates being raised on everyone, then it's time to pull the plug on some of these niche channels or push them to a higher tier.

    I also don't "need" fox news. There are other real news channels that can fill in.

    I think we need to hold the line on rates, period. It's ridiculous.

    Now broadcast channels want cable tv sized rates because they, legitimately, say that they have a higher viewership.

    Where does it stop? I feel I am underpaid as well.....but?!

    Enough. Screw them all.
     
  6. Oct 29, 2011 #926 of 1258
    ChicagoBlue

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    You really have no clue what you are talking about.

    DTV is forced to bundle to their customers. When someone like Fox, Disney, Viacom, etc provides these channels to a carrier like DISH, or DTV or TWC, they put in the contract required distribution minimum requirements. That is entirely Derek Chang's point.

    Let me see if I can illustrate it for you.

    DTV wants FX and say Fox Soccer Channel but not Nat Geo Wild (illustrative purposes only).

    FOX says, sorry DTV, if you want FX and Fox Soccer channel you MUST carry Nat Geo Wild, Nat Geo, Speed, Fuel, etc. ON TOP OF THAT, you MUST put them in base packages that reach at least 85% of your customer base.


    This is how it works. Now, DTV has no choice but to bundle those channels to everyone because contractually they are stuck. So when you make a comment like you did, you are showing that you truly do not understand what happens behind the scenes. Bundling is a function of the programmers, not the carriers. I will not deny that the carriers do it to some extent, but most of it is out of need to pay for the channels they are required to carry. The programmers know that most of the MSO's don't want all the channels because many of them add very little value. The MSOs are forced to carry those worthless (or low value channels) in order to get the ones people actually care about.

    Do you really think ESPN Classic is a channel most people want? About 3% of people watch it, but if you want ESPN and ESPN2, you have to carry ESPN Classic AND you have to pay them for the priviledge.

    That's the business.
     
  7. Oct 29, 2011 #927 of 1258
    Davenlr

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    That is the major problem. The owners of these channels KNOW speed wont make crap, while Fox News will...So they package all their channels into one take it all, or nothing package to the providers. The providers are unable to put speed into the Sports Pak, for example. Its in the contract that all the channels in the "insert your channel owner group here" are all carried in the basic tiers.

    Obviously, if DirecTv could do so, they should drop the SD versions of these channels, and only carry the HD version, and put it in the HD Extra pack (which is still considered a basic package) and raise the price of this package accordingly.

    Since viewers so far, have been unable to read these contracts, there is no way to tell if we are being screwed by the channel group, DirecTv, or both.
     
  8. Oct 29, 2011 #928 of 1258
    ChicagoBlue

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    You are right, but it won't happen. FOX is going to force bundling just like they all do with penetration requirements.
     
  9. Oct 29, 2011 #929 of 1258
    ChicagoBlue

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    Good news I'm hearing is that both sides are actually talking and negotiating, something that FOX refused to do until DTV forced the issue.

    At the end of the day, Fox \ Newscorp was trying keep extending the timeline to merge this in with the O & O and Fox News disputes that expire later this year. That would give them more leverage.

    DTV, who rarely threatens to pull channels down, knew this was the game they were playing in all of October and finally said enough. They are forcing Fox's hand in all of this to limit the impact on the next round of negotations affecting the other channels.

    DTV looks like the bad guy right now because most customers have no idea the back story, but it's a shrewd move by DTV in the long run.
     
  10. Oct 29, 2011 #930 of 1258
    ChicagoBlue

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    WRONG.

    Sure they will. This industry has spies all over the place. Everyone knows what everyone is paying almost down to the penny.
     
  11. Oct 29, 2011 #931 of 1258
    espnjason

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    I think D* should not charge for the Sports Pack if this dilemma continues past November 1st. The Regional FSNs make up the meat and potatoes of the Sports Pack and if most of which are temporarily off the air, the customer shouldn't be charged. I've thought of canceling the sports pack until this issue is rectified.

    Possibly if push comes to shove, D* may look into placing all the Sports channels on one Tier and include the out of market packages. I know I will pay for it, and it just may save money for the non-sports fans.
     
  12. Oct 29, 2011 #932 of 1258
    ziggy29

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    Except that Fox News isn't affected here.
     
  13. Oct 29, 2011 #933 of 1258
    sigma1914

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    ...yet. ;)
     
  14. Oct 29, 2011 #934 of 1258
    zimm7778

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    If they did that the sports pack could run $60-70 each month if not more.
     
  15. Oct 29, 2011 #935 of 1258
    Pepe Sylvia

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    They're both the "bad" guy as far as the consumer is concerned. They both want to profit as much as possible. People who think Directv is operating as some altruistic consumer protector are just fooling themselves.

    Just get the deal done already.
     
  16. Oct 29, 2011 #936 of 1258
    camo

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    I'm sure you get your REAL NEWS off MSNBC or CNN. Yeah those are real news channels...LMAO :nono:
     
  17. Oct 29, 2011 #937 of 1258
    Davenlr

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    I get my real news from Al Jazeera. Its about the only "news" channels that has any news anymore.
     
  18. Oct 29, 2011 #938 of 1258
    Red Orc

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    I was thinking the same thing but there's no guarantee that Comcast won't have the same problem next year!
     
  19. Oct 29, 2011 #939 of 1258
    Red Orc

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    Yeah what he said.
     
  20. Oct 29, 2011 #940 of 1258
    alnielsen

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    Speed is only about 20 cents of you bill, according to rates that have been posted recently.
    Fox News is in a separate contract and is not apart of these negotiations.
     

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