Fox Regional Sports being dropped by YouTube TV

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  1. compnurd

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    dont know what page your looking at but shows up fine for me

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  2. techguy88

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    If you click the "See All Channels +" link under the Premiums section an in frame page appears. For Plus & Max ACC Network is completely absent. It should appear alphabetically above AccuWeather with a check under the Max column but it does not.

    When you click "Other Packages" then "See All Channels +" you just see "ACCNHD" but the check is only under Premier.

    Which is incorrect because AT&T TV Now's "Other Packages" are meant to mirror the AT&T TV Featured Packages in their entirety. The only reason AT&T TV Now offers Optimo Mas - Premier is to provide a no contract and no RSN Fee option. If you go to the AT&T TV channel lineup it shows "ACCNHD" (ACC Network HD) in Choice - Premier which is correct for both AT&T TV and AT&T TV Now. (Here is a PDF of AT&T TV's packages which are referred to "Other Packages" on AT&T TV Now which is correct for both services.)

    The only time you see ACC Network included with Max is on the homepage with all the channel logos. However it is there and included with Max.
     
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  3. espaeth

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    It's ridiculous that ATT TV Now is still restricted for DVR functions on the live channels. You can only pause for around 2 minutes, you can't rewind, and you can't fast forward after pausing.
     
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  4. gio12

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    what? Forget that
     
  5. Stewart Vernon

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    I'm not too bothered by the loss of the "FOX" RSNs... I actually wonder why they are still called "FOX" when they are no longer owned and operated by FOX... but that aside... I'm in NC, so ACC country. I really only care about college football and basketball and then I watch the NBA and NFL for pro sports. With the advent of the sports networks (I have ACC, SEC, and Big Ten on YouTube TV) that covers my college fix for everything not on ESPN or the OTA networks... NFL is covered by having OTA, ESPN, and NFL Network... NBA is mostly covered by ABC/ESPN/TNT... Maybe there would be a game or two on the RSN? I don't know... oh, and they have NBATV too... I can't imagine I'll be missing much by not having the RSN.

    Prior to the launch of ACC Network, there were games that popped up on the RSN every week... but I think those days are gone. Everything that they couldn't sell to a bigger network, goes on ACC I think.

    As for not dropping the price with the loss of RSNs... Normally I'd agree... we should get a price cut... but I can't imagine they were paying much for these RSNs... so would we even get $1 drop on the bill? I doubt it.
     
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  6. James Long

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    Based on other providers ... DIRECTV charges an ever increasing RSN fee. I can't say that it is specifically due to Sinclair RSNs, but having a $9.13 fee where Marquee and NBC Sports Chicago are the only RSNs in Choice leads me to believe RSNs are expensive. DISH introduced an up to $3 RSN fee this year (which they are not charging in areas without RSNs). DISH did not reduce prices when dropping Sinclair and other RSNs.

    The providers like to complain about the high price of sports and they tell their customers that sports are the reason for high prices but has any provider lowered their price when dropping sports?
     
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  7. gio12

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    yeah, ACC here too. I think with the ACC Network now, I will relay less on the FOX RSNs for me games []_[]
     
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  8. espaeth

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    So basically there are 3 streaming options that remain if you still need the FOX (Sinclair) RSNs:

    - Hulu Live
    - ATT TV NOW
    - ATT TV

    Hulu Live has the stupid "home network" restrictions that prevent you from using any TV-attached device to stream outside of your registered home network. Not an issue now since I'm not traveling during the pandemic, but being able to pack a Roku stick to watch when traveling is a nice feature in general. Worse yet, regular Hulu lets you watch anywhere, but as soon as you enable Live TV on your account it prevents you from watching anything Hulu (Live or Catalog) on a TV-connected device anywhere off your home network. The final dagger for Hulu Live: DVR recordings don't have a "start from beginning" option, so if you want to record a game, be prepared to scrub your way back to the beginning and catch a ton of spoilers if the game is still in progress.

    ATT TV NOW can only pause live TV for a couple minutes, and no FF/RW outside of DVR recordings.

    ATT TV allows trickplay on live streams, but only if you use their box. So if you want to go this route, now you need another stupid box and remote for every TV you want trickplay options on, plus you have a 24 month contract, plus you have to pay the RSN fee on top of the package fee that has them.

    Time for sports leagues to figure out another way to package their coverage, because this is a dumpster fire.
     
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  9. techguy88

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    I agree with you this is a big dumpster fire lol

    However to clarify, if someone wanted AT&T TV Now and wanted an AT&T TV device a lot of people are selling beta Osprey boxes on eBay for $50-$80 used but with the new updated remote. This is cheaper than AT&T's price for new AT&T TV devices which are $120 per device for AT&T TV customers. If you have AT&T TV Now (Plus or Max) and use your account with Osprey/AT&T TV devices the user has full access to all features just like an AT&T TV customer.

    I have tested the Osprey/AT&T TV device extensively with an AT&T TV Now account using the Max ($80/mo) package. I can RW live programming then FW up to the live point including sports. Essentially I can do everything that @lparsons21 can do who has an AT&T TV device direct from AT&T with AT&T TV Entertainment.

    If you are using AT&T TV / AT&T TV Now on another device like Apple TV, Fire TV or Roku you can set the program to record then after 30-45 seconds go into your Cloud DVR and watch the program from there. That enables RW/FW during the program.
     
  10. inkahauts

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    In other words DIRECTV still kicks streaming’s butt for sports. And based on what your saying about live tv and trickplay and so forth, also streaming DVRs from those companies.
     
  11. espaeth

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    I guess it all depends what you want out of a service.

    If you need the Sinclair RSNs and functional trickplay, then yeah, maybe DIRECTV is the best option going.

    For sports in general, it's a service that I have to use proprietary boxes, only at my house, only on the TVs I pay to hook up, and I have to settle for video quality that's worse that what's offered by streaming services including ATT's own ATT TV. Oh, wait, I guess DIRECTV does have that janky app that will let me stream on a mobile device at a resolution that looks like the world is struggling to make it through some kind of pixel famine. Maybe. If the app works.

    YoutubeTV includes options like being able to show or hide scores for games in the guide, or block live channel thumbnails if teams you select are playing so that you don't see any spoilers. For most sports now, they offer a feature called "catch up to live with key plays" where they use sport-specific metadata to index key points in the video timeline, and they'll step through a series of highlights all the way up to being joined live to a game in progress.

    A few streaming companies are doing interesting things to add useful features to the viewing experience, just not the ones who are currently willing to submit to Sinclair's ransom demands.
     
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  12. techguy88

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    A Cloud DVR from any company is never a true substitute for true hardware DVR however that again is based on what an individual values. Also when the dollar amount begins to outweigh what one will spend it is easier to adapt to a Cloud DVR over a hardware DVR. If you are the one that values a hardware based DVR in all its glory then a traditional TV provider is the only way to get all the features in one.

    Hulu + Live TV is great when your at home but just like @espaeth mentioned it is not great if you are out of the home. AT&T TV Now is better for in and out of home scenarios as it will allow you full access to your channel lineup as long as you are located within the same market as your billing address. The only limitation AT&T TV Now has is if you travel out of market you can't view locals/RSNs in another market but you can access everything else.

    AT&T TV Now's 90 second buffer and trick-play limitations can be overcome by simply setting the Cloud DVR to record the event in question (for good measure w/sports I would also set it to record the program after the sport event ends.) After about 1 minute you can start the in-progress recording of your game which then gives you full trick-play options such as skipping back/forward 15 seconds or RW/FW. When you select the game to watch via the Cloud DVR it will automatically put you at the start. The entire game will be available in the buffer since it is recording it. Depending on the individual that can be either a minor or major issue.

    However for someone wanting to save money I would never recommend a traditional pay-TV provider unless they want the NFL Sunday Ticket.

    For the price of D*'s Xtra ($131/mo regular price for 1 TV & Genie HD-DVR) one could get AT&T TV Now Max ($80) & Sling TV Blue ($30) + Total TV Deal ($20) for $130/mo and watch their programming on 3 to 6 TVs (6 TVs is achieved if the channel is on both AT&T TV Now & Sling TV)

    This would give you all the major cable networks (except for Animal Planet), locals (AT&T TV Now), RSNs (AT&T TV Now), College Sports (AT&T TV Now, Sling TV for Pac-12), the majority of national sports (Both) and all the pro sports + NFL RedZone (Sling TV Blue + Total TV Deal.) AT&T TV Now Max also gives you HBO Max & Cinemax which would be an additional $27.99/mo on D*.

    Depending on what one needs you can mix and match the streamers to still be cheaper than D* and even cable companies.
     
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  13. gio12

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    Over double the price and antiquated boxes and ability to lose recordings. Yep, all have negatives. Ohm plus that dumb dish with rain fafe, wires through my house, divers that fail....
     
  14. I WANT MORE

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    Are you able to watch networks on the ATTTV box "out of market"?
    Can I take the box with me and receive locals from where I am?
    Can I use a VPN and receive different locals?
     
  15. compnurd

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    Where has it ever been stated or proven ATT TV Now has less video quality then ATT TV?

    we get you have a hard on for YTTV
     
  16. compnurd

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    Yes and Yes
     
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  17. compnurd

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    Doesn’t change the fact that from a programming perspective it is better
     
  18. gio12

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    Agree at a much higher cost. YTTV will add channels back fast enough IMO. Had DIRECTV for 20 yrs and AT&T destroyed them.


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  19. espaeth

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    They use exactly the same streams.

    My statement was that ATT’s streaming products offer superior video quality to their satellite product. (With the exception of "streaming" in the DIRECTV app for satellite subscribers, which tops out at something like 360p resolution.)
     
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  20. lparsons21

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    That is a personal opinion from someone who likes sports a lot. Other than sports and the convenience of cable/sat, there is no real difference in programming available.

    In these days of little original programming at all via cable/sat, it makes little sense to pay big bucks to get it IMO. I can watch incessant reruns for a lot less with streaming! :)
     
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