From the 'Here We Go Again Dept.' Sinclair Could Be The Next Set of Locals to Disappear from DirecTV

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  1. Sep 21, 2019 #61 of 162

    techguy88 Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2015
    Me too in my area they are using subchannel 9 for my ABC station which is the first time I've ever seen them use x-9. In the past I've seen them use subchannel 1 I'm guessing they are doing this to avoid the satellite alert feeds blocking out the antenna feeds delivered by the LCC/AM21 on subchannel 1.


    On a side note so far they are not engaging in a game of Whack-A-Message with the Tennis Channel when their ticker displays a message about the pending loss of the channel :eek:
  2. Sep 21, 2019 #62 of 162

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

    Feb 14, 2013
    These are getting to be common enough there probably needs to be a sticky thread for Directv disputes like there is for HD additions. Given that disputes are more frequent these days than adding new HD channels...
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  3. Sep 21, 2019 #63 of 162

    litzdog911 Well-Known Member

    Jun 23, 2004
    Mill Creek, WA
    Folks complain when local station owners pull their channels from providers like DirecTV demanding more money.
    And folks complain that their subscription rates are too high.
    So what are service providers like Dish, Comcast and DirecTV to do?

    Here's a suggestion. File a complaint with the FCC. Ask that the FCC allow service providers to deliver another network station instead. That would stop this BS in a heartbeat. After all, these are FREE over-the-air TV stations. Why should TV providers have to pay them anything?

    Greedy station owners are killing the cable/satellite industry. Just look at how many blackouts have happened during the last 10 years. So changing providers won't help.

    Since 2010, millions of Americans have seen dark screens instead of watching their favorite channels due to more than 1,000 broadcaster-initiated blackouts. With 230 blackouts, 2019 is the worst year for TV blackouts on record.

    230 blackouts in 2019 – Retrans Fees: $11.7B (estimated)
    165 blackouts in 2018 – Retrans Fees: $10.5B
    213 blackouts in 2017 – Retrans Fees: $9.3B
    104 blackouts in 2016 – Retrans Fees: $7.9 B
    193 blackouts in 2015 – Retrans Fees: $6.4B
    94 blackouts in 2014 – Retrans Fees: $4.8B
    119 blackouts in 2013 – Retrans Fees: $3.6B
    90 blackouts in 2012 – Retrans Fees: $2.4B
    42 blackouts in 2011 – Retrans Fees: $1.7B
    8 blackouts in 2010 – Retrans Fees: $1.2B
    ** Retrans fees in $billions based on data from SNL Kagan

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  4. Sep 21, 2019 #64 of 162

    texasbrit Well-Known Member

    Aug 9, 2006
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  5. Sep 22, 2019 #65 of 162

    reds1963 Godfather

    Aug 28, 2007
    ABC FOX and CW started running the message , uverse and dtv may be gone 9-27 here in columbus , wonder if they might try hook the RSN's at the same time under the new ownership group ??
  6. Sep 22, 2019 #66 of 162

    dtv757 Icon

    Jun 3, 2006
    Post #52

    I believe the RSNs are a different agreement even tho its new ownership

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  7. Sep 22, 2019 #67 of 162

    jamieh1 Hall Of Fame

    May 1, 2003
    12-9 Here in Greenville NC
    ABC WCTI 12
    Our FOX local WYDO Is not effected
    WYDO under a shared services agreement (SSA). However, Sinclair effectively owns WYDO as the majority of Cunningham's stock is owned by the family of deceased group founder Julian Smith.
  8. Sep 22, 2019 #68 of 162

    techguy88 Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2015
    I posted about this in detail a few posts back breaking down the different shell companies with current information that is available on the web.

    My market is the same WCHS 8-ABC is the Sinclair O&O while WVAH 11-Fox is owned by Cunningham and is operated by WCHS under a LMA (local marketing agreement). Sinclair tried in 2001 to buy WVAH back from Cunningham (when it was known as Glencairn) when the FCC relaxed their duopoly rules but they were denied as WCHS was the #2 rated station and WVAH was the #4 rated station in our market.

    This still stands today because Gray Television was going to have a shell company (Excalibur) purchase WQCW 30-CW and have their O&O WSAZ 3-NBC operate it via SSA however because WQCW is not one of the top 4 rated stations in my market Gray was able to buy it outright and form a legal duopoly with WSAZ.
  9. Sep 23, 2019 #69 of 162

    SamC Hall Of Fame

    Jan 20, 2003
    Sinclair does this illegal activity to skirt the ownership rules all over the country. It has about five shell companies that have no assets and are owned by shills who are paid a few thousand $$ to sign their names now and then. It therefore can avoid the law that says the no one company can own more than one of the “top 4” (ABC, NBC, FOX, or CBS, except in a very few Hispanic heavy markets) stations. It is illegal, and anti-consumer. FCCs, appointed by all sorts of presidents and approved by all sorts of senates, for over 20 years, have permitted this illegal activity.
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  10. Sep 23, 2019 #70 of 162

    captaink5217 Legend

    Sep 20, 2011
    Fox56 out of Wilkes-Barre, PA is also displaying the message about 9/27, fortunately my LCC I requested during the last blackout with our NBC and CW affiliates seems to pull all of them in for me, the only thing is the CW signal that it pulls in is not the HD version.

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  11. Sep 25, 2019 #71 of 162

    bjdotson Legend

    Feb 20, 2007
    Just figured out how this will impact me and my family; There are 7 CBS shows that I record that my wife and I watch together. Two CBS shows are recorded by my wife that she watches by herself. There are two CBS game shows that I watch daily every morning. That is 11 shows and does not count 2 independent stations that has a couple of shows that I like. We do pick and choose, and catch up in the summer when my wife isn't working as much. I'm retired.
  12. Sep 26, 2019 #72 of 162

    techguy88 Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2015
    Some info that came out over the past two days which could explain why AT&T is battling Sinclair.

    In a statement released by AT&T Sinclair is trying to bundle the future Marquee Sports Network in with their agreement for their O&O stations. It has been reported Sinclair is asking $4 per sub for this channel for MVPDs to carry it. AT&T calls it the "one of the most expensive single-team RSNs ever with the Cubs in Chicago."

    AT&T also noted Sinclair wants to bundle the Fox RSNs in with this deal despite AT&T reaching an agreement with Old Fox in 2018 that covers the Fox RSNs. They also said Sinclair is asking "for carriage of multiple cable channels that don’t even exist or that Sinclair hopes to someday acquire."

    I must say not really a fan of the Deathstar here but I'm glad they are fighting back with Sinclair and essentially calling them out for using their own market power to push expensive new channels.

    Although I find it funny the only streaming provider they are telling AT&T customers to switch to is YouTube TV. I know they are in a dispute with Dish/Sling over the Fox RSNs but seriously no mention of PS Vue which also carries Sinclair O&Os, Fox RSNs and Tennis Channel. o_O:eek:
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  13. Sep 26, 2019 #73 of 162

    TheRatPatrol Hall Of Fame

    Oct 1, 2003
    Phoenix, AZ
    Did the Cubs not learn from the Dodgers SNAFU? If it ain’t broke...........
  14. Sep 26, 2019 #74 of 162

    techguy88 Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2015
    Well they learned something.... don't partner with a single cable company instead partner with a company that owns local stations in 40% of the United States :cool:

    However... I agree they should have stuck with WGN-TV tbh.
  15. Sep 26, 2019 #75 of 162

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    If they are really asking for all that, I say dump Sinclair’s channels permanently. And watch that happen with every carrier as their terms come up. Then when they go broke and get sold off to someone else maybe they can get offer deals that aren’t stupid.

    I knew them getting the FOX rsns would be bad. They would have been better off letting Disney keep them and I can’t believe that the idiots in Washington didn’t see this coming.

    And what also would be important, anyone missing shows on those channels, do not watch them at all. The best way to hurt Sinclair is for them to find out the customers can and will easily survive without their channels and don’t even care enough about them to try and watch them over the air or on demand from some other source, I know easier said than done, but....
  16. Sep 26, 2019 #76 of 162

    richall01 Godfather

    Sep 30, 2007
    South Georgia
    Tell the advertisers NOT to run there ad's during the blackout.
  17. Sep 26, 2019 #77 of 162

    Geekzilla AllStar

    Jun 10, 2007
    The current extension remains in effect through September 27th at 5:00 pm EDT. As soon as they turn off the channels I'm hoping DirecTV will give me the LCC I keep asking for.
  18. Sep 27, 2019 #78 of 162

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

    Feb 14, 2013

    And watch all the customers in Sinclair markets leave Directv once they announce they are refusing to do a deal with them.

    Directv would take more pain from this than Sinclair would - they pay the networks based on headcount so if they have a smaller headcount they owe less to the networks. They wouldn't go bankrupt, it would hurt their profitability some but they'd be fine. If Directv lost a few million customers in Sinclair markets who switched to alternatives, they probably take a bigger hit to profitability though they'd be fine as well.
  19. Sep 27, 2019 #79 of 162

    techguy88 Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2015
    Hopefully customers who received LCCs because of other disputes this year (Northwest, Nexstar, Sinclair's sidecars, etc.) that worked for them will remember to check to see if they can pick up their Sinclair O&O affiliate. :rolleyes: I know the peeps here that have an LCC or AM21 will do that I'm talking about the herd of sheep that will complain to AT&T because they lost their Sinclair O&O station without checking that first.

    Me personally I'm set with my LCC on HR44 and my AM21N on my HR24 and both can pickup my local Sinclair ABC affiliate with 100% strength. :D However I have Hulu as well so as a bigger finger to Sinclair I'll just watch the two shows from ABC I normally watch the next day via Hulu. :p
  20. Sep 27, 2019 #80 of 162

    techguy88 Well-Known Member

    Mar 19, 2015
    Time to start the countdown clock T-minus 10 hours and 7 minutes until deadline approaches.

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