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Frustrating!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Fuzzybear, Mar 29, 2012.

  1. WestDC

    WestDC Well-Known Member

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    Before re-inventing the wheel- I suggest you remove the grd blocks and see if anything changes? As with anything a grd block can be defect Mfg - If no change - you could put everything back as it was and see if the trouble clears. If not then Look at the cable ends you replaced for any stray strands inside the connector.

    That will give you fits and Strange troubles as well.
     
  2. bigglebowski

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    Thats kind of a red flag there, is the cable quad shield? Even then you shouldnt have to force the connectors on. Could you have been using standard connectors on quad?

    As others have said undo the new stuff. I would change one thing at a time to see if problem goes away.
     
  3. Fuzzybear

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    All Quad except for runs from the dish which is RG11. I used Q fittings but some were harder than others to push through.
     
  4. west99999

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    Why RG11?
     
  5. Fuzzybear

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    Low loss - Satellite dish is on a pole 30' from house runs through 2" rigid conduit and then another 70' to switch.
     
  6. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    Did your added distance from where the switch was to where it is now, add more distance?
     
  7. Fuzzybear

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    yes....about 60'

    Now the puzzling part is.....my 3 other HD DVr's HR20/ (2) HR 22's dont have any issues, just the HR 24 that I just put into service.
     
  8. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    If all else looks good, you might check the voltage at the LNB end to make sure you are getting the 13V/18V needed to switch the LNB, If the 18V is low, the LNB could get confused and think its supposed to be at 13V and not switch, and your receiver would still get a signal, but not the right transponder.
     
  9. Fuzzybear

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    Gotcha....thanks.
     
  10. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    If that turns out to be the case, you can replace those ground jumpers you added with a sonora amp. VeryOldSchool would be able to tell you which one.
     
  11. bigglebowski

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    What happens if you move that receiver to a location that works fine? You could even swap a "known good" receiver to where the problem HR24 is to see if it reacts the same way.

    New does not equal good.
     
  12. carl6

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    You don't say which model multiswitch, but I'll assume it is a WB68 which is non-powered. So you have to get the voltage coming out of the receiver to the WB68, then through the WB68, then to the LNB assembly, and with your cable runs you may well be running into voltage drop problems (which someone else also suggested).

    If that is your problem, then a Sonora HRPID1422A power inserter/phase locker is your solution. It would go between the multiswitch and the dish.

    Also, it is certainly worth double checking each of your terminations to make sure they are good, and that you didn't inadvertently get a short in one of them. Easy to do if you are not extra careful. I know if I put 60+ connectors on, the odds are good that one or more would have a problem if I wasn't double checking each one as I did it.

    Good luck.
     
  13. TBlazer07

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    Which is the most obvious logical first step before doing anything else! That could narrow down the issue quite easily.
     
  14. Fuzzybear

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    I could possibly buy into a voltage drop but when I moved the WB68 farther away from the Satellite dish, then my bedroom receiver (HR20) is the longest distance from the switch at nearly 70' and 100' from the dish and there are no issues.

    I will recheck all terminations and do some troubleshooting this weekend.

    When I switch to a SWM16 in the near future, would I still need a power inserter? I still have 3 SD receivers hooked up to the old satellite and due to line of sight issues, I need to switch over.
     
  15. Davenlr

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    If you have no issues on the other two, then it is either the output of the multiswitch on the two ports used for the new DVR, of the cable to the DVR, or the DVR itself.

    Ignore the voltage at the LNB check, if your other two are working ok.

    All SWM's need a power inserter.
     
  16. carl6

    carl6 Moderator Staff Member DBSTalk Club

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    True, but NOT the one (Sonora) I referenced. Totally different type of power inserter. For SWM, it provides voltage to the SWM which is a powered device. In that situation, the external SWM (8 or 16) becomes the power inserter to the LNB.
     
  17. bnwrx

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    Just to know myself, by going to these channels,what should you see? Mine are just a black screen...
     
  18. Rich

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    Biting my tongue here.

    Rich
     
  19. Rich

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    Dave, I'm an electrician by trade and putting tools or meters in an EE's hands is...a whole bunch of bad things, can't think of one word that covers what I've seen them do in the field. So much for holding back....:lol:

    Rich
     
  20. Rich

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    That's right. Missed that. I lost the power supply to a Zinwell that a D* contractor installed because he put those terminators on the switch. It stopped working before the guy got around the block. That was back in the bad old days.

    Rich
     

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