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Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by emathis, Oct 19, 2007.
Repeat I wish Dish would do business as it did six years ago
lol...yeah thats true...i would rather have my Treasure HD quality over some "part time HD.... FX or Sci fi"....i mean watching those old people browse those ancient flea markets in high def...wow... and the Gallery HD? with shows like "Art Land" where where they have "the worlds largest collection, of the worlds smallest version, of the worlds largest things"....IN HD!!!!WOOHOO!:icon_lame
Give us the nationals in HD...where the demand is....
Squeaky wheels get the grease
Companies usually respond to unhappy customers demand not happy customers who ask for nothing.
Interestingly enough, the Japanese view this somewhat differently. Working with people from other countries gives interesting perspectives.
A Japanese tester once explained that when he was in the US working, he complained more because "the squeeky wheel gets the grease"... but in Japan he complained less because "highest nail gets hit"... basically describing that whining/complaining is not rewarded in his culture quite the way it is here.
On another front... I see how many people get into the sky falling over their TV... and then won't take things into their own hands even when they can (if DirecTV is that much better then switch and be happy instead of complaining all the time)... and while I don't want to go into politics, I have to mention that the same folks screaming the sky is falling over HD channels don't threaten to leave the country if health care or unemployment or whatever isn't fixed. We seem to have a lot more tolerance for actual real problems than we do for perceived ones.
No - I didn't say NEVER. Why do you feel the need to put words in someones mouth? My statement in reality is intelligent and based on what you can read below.
But I guess you didn't listen to or read about yesterdays DISH retailer chat. That should tell you not to expect anything in the coming months. Courtesy of satguys:
To me this is the strongest point of all. DISH KNEW that D* was launching the new sat (D10), they KNEW that D* has been talking about these new channels for OVER 2 YEARS.
Their inaction speaks for itself. The uproar has caused them already to address this in yesterdays DISH Retailers Chat. They flat out said they need bandwidth, and that they would NOT be adding any new HD channels in the near future. Also, they are optimistic that they can get the FIRST of their next two sats in the air by end of Q2 of 2008, which means turnig it on not much before September 2008.
Say what you want about what DISH HAD before, but it doesn't look like they have it NOW!
for what they have been saying they would deliver you are right. its been much longer. the negativity has been too.
what hardware are you talking about? thats a matter of opinion too
.Yeah well...ya know why complaining works here? BECAUSE THIS IS AMERICA BABY!!pride WE HAVE CHOICES...AND YA KNOW WHY WE HAVE CHOICES? BECAUSE WE HAVE FREEDOM!! WHY DO WE HAVE FREEDOM? BECAUSE WE GOT THE BOMBS!! NUCLEAR FRACKIN BOMBS........:new_cussi
lol...just kidding...had a little Dennis Leary moment there...
I'm not saying the sky is falling or E* is gonna go out of business...im just like other people who are ticked because the other company has the stuff we want...and they aren't giving us any indication that they will get it soon...so being patient for those of us who have been waiting for them in HD...and now they are...and can't get them...is getting old...thats all
Hmmm. Just outta speculation, I went to that link (I personally don't spend my day on two or three satellite tv websites) you posted. I'm gonna say that for someone who doesn't want anyone putting words in their mouth, you sure put a lot of words that didn't exist in that thread. I saw a lot of speculation, but NEVER did I see someone say what you said. Oh well, I guess I can't read.
I've used both. IMO, D* equipment is trash. I will add that many people, including D* subs, agree...
I don't agree, but that's just me. The equipment I'm using with D* is much nicer than the stuff we had from Comcast.
And many don't as well - another subjective argument that no one can win - what's the sense of having it in the first place?
Some people like chevy, some hate it. And so on and so on.
Learn to read, because I did NOT say NEVER - PLAIN AND SIMPLE. And then don't excuse away your spin by putting it back on me.
Does DirecTV have more bandwidth for HD right now than Dish? Sure they do.
Is Dish at the end of their bandwidth? No.
Without even doing a whole lot of work... you can go through the EKB and see lots of places where HD can be added right now. I did it the other day, and I forget the count... but without taking anything down, new HD can be added right now.
Now, with some shuffling, a few more... and if they convert some more to MPEG4 and add the new encoders... a few more.
Again, it is fair to say Dish is bandwidth strapped and won't get major relief until next year. But it is simply 100% wrong to say they have no bandwidth and cannot add any more HD this year.
Some folks have speculated upwards of 20-25 new HD possible. I counted at least 10-12 the other night fairly quickly after looking at the EKB. In either case, Dish could certainly add some more HD if they wanted right now.
It's an entirely different question to ask when or if they will... but they most definately can.
Well, I'm not trying to argue with you, but I didn't say you said NEVER. I said "but NEVER did I see someone say what you said" (I was using "never" to describe that I didn't see some say what you said - "should tell you not to expect anything in the coming months").
You guys are right tho, it is personal preference which is why I said IMO. Good luck to you guys. No offense intended and none was taken on this end...
For all the negativity you create in these threads, I'm surprised you haven't switched providers yet. I guess you like sitting on the fence, huh?
"Jim calls the competitions DVR's "kind of Pathetic."
Jim also says "we blow Tivo away as well"
New marketing called "Never Miss" which promoted DVR to never miss your favorite programs, it even says in the ad that "It's better then Tivo".
They continue talking of why Dish Networks DVR's are better then their competition.
They have spent a lot of time talking about this "Never Miss" campaign.
They then show the new DishHD logo, Dish DVR logo and the Dish Record Button
Now lets talk about DirecTV and Dish Network.
They are mad that DirecTV is dogging Dish in their TV ads, so dish is launching their own campaign against DirecTV.
Dish is going to start talking about their "edge" against DirecTV. They want retailers to tell customers why Dish is better.
Jim says there will be additional HD launched in the future and that they are working to reclaim bandwidth so they can add more HD channels."
Sounds to me like they cant..."reclaim bandwith to add more HD" sounds like they are out...didn't they have a launch failure on a new sat going up? Maybe that is why they don't have it? Also with the "edge" promo they are planning and the trash talking others dvr's....you got to admit...it sounds like they are scrambling for a new approach, until they can get bandwith.
To be fair, you are quoting from an online synopsis of a retailer chat... which until the recent years of blogs, web forums, and the internet is information that would have been relatively private info that us customers would never see. Having worked for companies and been involved in private meetings where we would talk about competitors and their products... Sometimes the competition is acknowledged in a positive way, and sometimes not.
As I, and others, have said though... Dish can add new HD right now if they want. How much requires a little research and debate... but you can go through the transponder loads yourself on the EKB which should be up to date unless something new has happened today that hasn't made its way into the charts there.
You can easily see places for about 9-12 or so on 129 location, slightly less on 61.5. With creativity and other things that seem to be happening if you look at the uplink reports posted, it seems like Dish could get to 20-25 or so HD with a little work.
Absolutely have a bandwidth crunch compared to DirecTV and could not add the same number as they have right now especially if DirecTV keeps adding... but it is just not true to say Dish can't add any.
Dish has to be choosy... and not lock into a long-term agreement (like with TBS non-HD since baseball ended) with a sub-par channel right now and then have some nice HD launch a week later... but Dish can add more now if they want.
And again, DirecTV customers waited a couple of years on their plan to launch these new satellites... and I don't recall seeing a lot of churn in that time of people fleeing DirecTV to come to Dish because Dish had more HD. Similarly, here we are about a month after DirecTV started putting up new stuff... so I can't understand some folks' panicking and demanding answers from Dish as if this has been a long-term drought or something.
Some people are just never satisfied.... they want more. Well, we live in a free society and those that want more have choices. But, if they made those choices they probably wouldn't have reason to complain anymore, or would they?