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Gannett Hopping Mad Over 'Hopper' -- Longterm agreement reached!

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Nick, Oct 5, 2012.

  1. Oct 7, 2012 #101 of 187
    James Long

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    It will have the OTA module "soon". Currently AutoHop only works on the four PTAT network channels during prime time. I suppose as long as DISH has the information they could extend it to OTA received channels, PTAT content recorded manually or even non Hopper receivers.

    DISH generally doesn't support channels not carried on their system ... if the Gannett stations go down EPG will not be available for the OTA reception. With the receiver "not knowing" what program was on at that time it would not match the AutoHop information.
     
  2. Oct 7, 2012 #102 of 187
    inkahauts

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    I'd love to see the ruling that what dish is doing is legal, because the only other DVR I know of that ever did what dish is doing is replaytv, and they never had a verdict in that case, replay gave in and disable it because they knew they wouldn't win in the end no matter what the ruling would have been.

    Auto hop is in no way shape or form the same thing as having trickplay on a DVR.
     
  3. Oct 7, 2012 #103 of 187
    inkahauts

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    Aside from the fact that I disagree with you (dish is the one choosing what to skip with your consent, not you choosing what to skip, which are very different things, and its questionable at best if it matters if dish is doing it in the home or at their headquarters, they are still the ones doing it with their equipment) no matter how you look at it, if oj can get away with murder, and you can sue mcdonalds for millions over spilt coffee and win, you can't really expect to know for sure what any jury would ever decide these days. :)
     
  4. Oct 7, 2012 #104 of 187
    Inkosaurus

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    This has got to be DBStalks favorite example lol.
     
  5. Oct 7, 2012 #105 of 187
    Stewart Vernon

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    To be fair... they didn't answer the question. They dodged it by saying they have agreements with other providers. Those other providers could be ones with an older contract not yet up for renewal OR contracts where the other provider agreed to those "big increases" that they wanted.

    They only way they could truthfully answer without dodging would be to state what Dish pays now vs what they are wanting Dish to agree to pay for the future.

    Since they won't tell you that... I would believe they know somewhere in the back of their mind that they are asking more than customers would feel is justified. Otherwise a lot of the debate would dissolve if they just spoke factually about how much they are asking.

    Nobody ever does that, though.
     
  6. Oct 7, 2012 #106 of 187
    SayWhat?

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    As noted earlier ....
    So the public statement you quoted is nothing more than doubletalk and corporate propaganda-speak.

    We, the consumers will never know the dollar amounts involved, so we kind of have to pick and choose which source we choose to believe.
     
  7. Oct 7, 2012 #107 of 187
    dakeeney

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    BINGO!!! There's the magic statement that a lawyer would love to use against the networks.
     
  8. Oct 7, 2012 #108 of 187
    MysteryMan

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    Still doesn't guarantee a judge woul rule in favor of DISH. No such thing as a slam dunk in our judicial system.
     
  9. Oct 7, 2012 #109 of 187
    Bobham

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    I will support dish in any dispute with the content providers. Go Charlie!
     
  10. Oct 7, 2012 #110 of 187
    coldsteel

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    Truest. Statement. EVER.
     
  11. Oct 7, 2012 #111 of 187
    Henry

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    I live in the Denver market and haven't lost my Gannett channels yet. Has anyone?

    NEVER MIND ... The deadline is at midnight.
     
  12. Oct 7, 2012 #112 of 187
    inkahauts

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    That's more like saying Vcrs are legal because you have to take them out of standby. It doesn't change how the device functions.
     
  13. Oct 7, 2012 #113 of 187
    inkahauts

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    I really hope you guys don't lose your channels.
     
  14. Oct 7, 2012 #114 of 187
    satcrazy

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    Great...
    Yeah, but he got nailed for Sat piracy.

    Never underestimate the power of the providers:D
     
  15. Oct 7, 2012 #115 of 187
    fudpucker

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    Stepping back, I do wonder what happens when the people who pay channels/networks to air their commercials realize that very few people actually watch the commercials. I don't think we're there today (using posters on this board as a measure of the general public, and probably even the general public who subscribe to Dish, is likely faulty; people who read and post here are people who are much more into the details, technology, etc. than the average person who has no idea what the heck DBStalk is.)

    But if the technology continues and becomes more widespread, the value of commercials will become less and less, which means companies will pay channels less and less money to carry those commercials. Which means the primary source of income for many networks/channels will have to shift away from commercials.

    I'm not sure that is a long term good thing for us as viewers.
     
  16. Oct 7, 2012 #116 of 187
    inkahauts

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    Have you seen an episode of bones ?(among others) lately? If so, that's part of what will happen. :D
     
  17. Oct 7, 2012 #117 of 187
    satcrazy

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    Great...
     
  18. Oct 7, 2012 #118 of 187
    fudpucker

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    Are you talking about where they get in a car and blatantly talk about its features? To the point they even do it in a self-aware, winking manner? Yeah, my wife and I laugh about that.

    But I doubt Ford would consider that a complete replacement for a high end Ford ad on a top 10 major network show. The last data I saw showed that, in spite of DVRs, the majority of people still watch TV live and watch the commercials.

    To take it to the extreme, if we reach a point at which the vast majority of viewers don't watch commercials, we are going to see some changes that I don't think will be favorable to us, the viewers. Things like forcing providers such as cable and sat providers to pay more since they won't be getting revenue from companies who paid big bucks for commercial time, and commercials that run under the show as it plays the way they clutter up the screen today with commercials for their own shows.
     
  19. Oct 7, 2012 #119 of 187
    inkahauts

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    And people wonder why creating a one time setting to skip all commercials would make a difference, vs having to do it manually every time....
     
  20. Oct 7, 2012 #120 of 187
    fudpucker

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    I have met a lot of people who aren't very tech savvy who have Dish or DirectTV with DVRs, who figure out how to set them to record their favorite shows but then watch the shows the same way they would live, i.e. they don't watch with the remote in hand skipping commercials, they just turn the show on and watch it. Commercials and all.

    I suspect there are more people like that out there than regular readers of a forum like this would guess.
     

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