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General Discussion: P287

Discussion in 'Other HD Receiver Support Forum (811, 921, 942)' started by Laverne, Apr 7, 2005.

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  1. May 1, 2005 #101 of 156

    svarney New Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Are they still releasing P287? I have not recieved it yet. I talked with tech support and they sounded like it was not being done any more.
  2. May 1, 2005 #102 of 156
    Eddie Estes

    Eddie Estes New Member

    Apr 30, 2005
    Is the update still being spooled? YES OR NO
    I would like to have the Dolby Digital that I am paying for!!!
    You know the Dolby Digital that works with everything else I have.
    Lets see:
    X Box
    $700 DVD player
    $40 DVD player
  3. May 1, 2005 #103 of 156

    moman19 Icon

    Oct 22, 2004
    You may not want it. I was pretty happy with P284 (or was it P285?) until P287 arrived. Whatever was done to "fix" outstanding DD issues seems to have caused new problems to some of us who had no audio issues in the past. In my case, the center channel has gone silent in DD broadcasts and, on occasion, I suddenly loose all audio while watching TV. Often, a hard reset is the only fix. So this is a new BSOD in sheep's clothing. I'm really losing my patience wringing out the 811.

    Sometimes months go by until the next "fix" arrives only to have us uncover new issues. I would gladly volunteer to formally test Beta software with a true 2-way feedback link to the developers, but Dish doesn't not seem to work this way. Their method is to issue new releases to a block of users, then stop, cross their fingers and wait for the feedback to come in via this great forum and perhaps Customer Care.

    So here I sit, waiting for the next release, which will hopefully fix the new issues. Forgive me if I'm a bit worried about what else may break in the process.
  4. May 1, 2005 #104 of 156

    gdarwin AllStar

    Jan 31, 2005
    I guess I'm lucky... I have two 811's..

    The one that is on P287 is on my TV in the bedroom which is 2 channel only. No problems with sound. Feeding the monitor with component and s-video audio

    The other one I have locked on P284 and have no problems with DD. Feeding the TV with component and then feeding the amp with digital audio.. No problems with this setup. Maybe it is a analog vs digital audio issue..


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  5. May 2, 2005 #105 of 156
    Ron Barry

    Ron Barry 622 Tips & Trick Keeper

    Dec 10, 2002
    Actually Dish does have a some Beta testers that do provide Feedback. You might know one or two of them. I have a 287 and DD has been working in my configuration. Yes there is obviously some side effect that 287 has created based on your post and a few others.

    No matter how many Beta testers you have with as strong a communication channel you have, bugs will still get through. As to a true 2-way feedback, from what I have heard the Beta testers have that. However, in addition this forum also provides a nice feedback mechanism to ferrit out problems not caught by the Beta team. I know that some members have provided bug feedback to the development team personally and I also know that some users have tested a praticular fix for the development team.

    So you are incorrect in your conclusion. Yes Dish rolls out releases at times slowly so that if something does reach the field they can minimize the exposure to their customer base. Since they control the upgrade stream, this is actually good practice and one I personally would like them using rather than release to everyone at once.

    This conversation is starting to turn towards bashing so if you want to continue down this road lets take it into the general forum and keep it out of the support forums.

    As to the people that had the DD issue, hang in their. I know it has been a long haul and hopefully the end is around the corner.
  6. May 2, 2005 #106 of 156

    datwell Mentor/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    Jan 26, 2005
    I'm still on 284 - don't know why but no 287 yet.

    da Doug
  7. May 2, 2005 #107 of 156

    misterdsp Cool Member

    Apr 22, 2004
    I offered to beta test the crushed black issue last year, but whatever the criteria are for selecting beta testers, I didn't get any kind of a bite. That problem took, what, 9 months to fix? I do use DD and fortunately don't have problems (Denon receiver). That problem is heading towards 18 months for a fix.

    Anyway, I am still on P284 and wonder if P287 is not going out, and P288 with Voom fixes will soon be out. P284 fixed most of my lockups and I 'only' have to reset once a week or so. Hopefully P287/288 has some additional stability improvements.

    It's been a wild ride and I came close to dumping the 811 on several occasions. I wonder how many more software releases there will be before mpeg4 sends the 811 to the trash can.
  8. May 3, 2005 #108 of 156

    dalucca Legend

    Feb 5, 2005
    Ditto here....still on P284 and waiting patiently. Just like what occured with the P285 release, I am waiting for the notification that I will not get the P287 release but instead jump to P288.
  9. May 3, 2005 #109 of 156

    Mikey Hall Of Fame

    Oct 26, 2004
    I am enjoying P2.84, with no anxiety about not having P2.87.
  10. May 3, 2005 #110 of 156

    BFG Hall Of Fame

    Jan 23, 2004
    You're a smart fella :)
  11. May 3, 2005 #111 of 156
    John Kotches

    John Kotches AllStar

    Mar 30, 2003
    The problem is, you can't beta test all possible combinations out there. If your beta test population covers the most popular chipset solutions then you have a good chance of minimizing your exposure to massive failure in the field.

    The good news is that nearly all CE manufacturers use the DD and DTS algorithms that are provided by their DSP manufacturer, and the number of those manufacturers is pretty small. Cirrus Logic (nee Crystal Semiconductor), FreeScale (nee Motorola) and Analog Devices are the 3 most popular DSP engines in use and that covers > 95% of the platforms in use. TI is just getting started in this business. Where the individual CE companies tend to vary is in the operating firmware and features they wrap around these DSPs.

    The hardest part is in the conditions of the various OTA stations -- I'm not nearly as familiar with the broadcast equipment as I am with the CE equipment and what's in use. Perhaps someone else can clue us in from that angle.

  12. May 3, 2005 #112 of 156
    Jerry G

    Jerry G Icon

    Jul 12, 2003
    Yup. 2.84 is working fine for me and I've turned off auto updates.
  13. May 3, 2005 #113 of 156

    terfmop Legend

    Sep 28, 2004
    I am awaiting 2.87. I really would like DD
  14. May 4, 2005 #114 of 156

    trojandude New Member

    Feb 5, 2005
    Does anyone out there know if version 2.84 has any Dolby Digital compatibility issues with the Pioneer VSX1015TXK? E* informed me last week that the DD issue would be addressed in the 2.88 release which is supposedly going to be released sometime in the near future..but who knows how long this will actually take. This seems to contradict a lot of postings on this site that indicate the DD fix was included in the 2.87 release which I don't have yet.

    I'm about the purchase the Pioneer VSX1015TXK receiver and would like to know it will work w/ my 811 before I make the purchase. Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks!
  15. May 4, 2005 #115 of 156
    Ron Barry

    Ron Barry 622 Tips & Trick Keeper

    Dec 10, 2002
  16. May 7, 2005 #116 of 156

    gsel Cool Member

    Jan 20, 2004
    It's May 7, a month after the roll out and I don't have it. I haven't read about anyone else receiving it recently either. It sounds like 2.88 is the next one out, possibly due soon, so those of us who didn't get 2.87 yet will wait for 2.88 instead. Any corrections to this?
  17. May 7, 2005 #117 of 156

    rjruby AllStar

    Dec 29, 2002
    Ditto for me.
  18. May 7, 2005 #118 of 156

    bavaria72 I am one too! DBSTalk Gold Club

    Jun 10, 2004
    Based on my experience with E* previous software rollouts, it seem fairly evident that they have indeed stopped deployment of 287. Now why is that? It is evident that there is an issue with the 811 on 287 receiving the new Voom channels. I don't thing it is much of a stretch to think that they stopped rolling out 287, made the modifications needed for 811s to get the new Voom channels and will release it as 288. I'm sure there are other fixes in 288 (like the remaining DD issues) but that would be my guess. Naturally I would of liked E* to let us now up front what is going on but I think we have been given enough info thru various means to kind of figure it out. Remember that D* does not even remotely let anyone know when software upgrades will be released so I'm happy that E* lets us know thru the "mining" process. Besides, makes it kind of fun to figure out.
  19. May 7, 2005 #119 of 156

    awp Cool Member/Supporter

    Jun 1, 2004
    Here is my theory

    1)Dish released 285 to a select number of sets.
    2) very quickly discovered a very very nasty new bug in 285 that could result in a a total hosing (I.e...ship back to factory type of hosing) of the box.
    3) rushed out 286 ......oops not quite... and 287 as temporary fixes to try minimize the disaster to those boxes that got 285.
    4) are now working on a new release that hopefully get everything right.

    I'm curious on what exactly they did that made for such a frantic recovery effort?
  20. May 7, 2005 #120 of 156
    Jason Nipp

    Jason Nipp Analog Geek in a Digital World Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Gold Club DBSTalk Club

    Jun 10, 2004
    1.) Correct, P285 was a whole new ball game with the addition of QAM etc. I like it that they played cautiously with it in release.
    2.) Wrong! P285 was very stable. They decided to make some additions and improvements before it sent to full release.
    3.) P286 was never cut to a production label. P287 did increase BSOD occurances.
    4.) Stay tuned....

    I have no problem with theories, but please take them to general discussion forums and not the tech support area.

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