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Genie mini clients and IP

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by ysottot, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

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    The Mini Clients actually get an IP from the Genie itself. They are in the 169.254.X.X range and you cannot set them to be static or set DHCP reservations for them.

    Actually the mini clients do ask for an address off your network address range and you can ping them and setting a DHCP reservation does work. That's not saying that they also don't use the 169.254/16 block for client/server data.
     
  2. adamson

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    Yes you are spot on. Although I am still not settled on the C41-500 mac id being incorrect on my network. It is static ip'd through the router with the errant mac address. Talked to tech support twice yesterday, first csr rude, second one took notes for engineering. Anyone else with a C41-500 having a mac address mismatch?
     
  3. RunnerFL

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    Even if they do setting them up with a reservation does you no good. They must be on the 169.254.X.X network to work with the Genie.
     
  4. adamson

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    The genie I have is static ip'd in the receiver, and the genie and both clients are in dhcp reservation state on my router. It all works great. Except the odd mac id issue. Phoned the installer just a bit ago...left message I want it swapped out. Im sure that will go well because he does not understand networking nothing.
     
  5. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

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    And that's what I said. You said that you can't assign an IP address using DHCP reservsation which isn't correct.
     
  6. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

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    OK, this subject peaked my interest a bit so I dug out my old hub (sorry I don't have a port mirroring switch) and laptop with Wireshark on it and found this out:

    - Using a DIRECTV client (C31/C41) client to server (HR34/HR44) packets use the RFC 3927 (169.254/16) addresses for traffic.
    - Using a DIRECTV client (C31/C41) when using the 'Extra' applications, Pandora, YouTube and MediaShare they use the IP address assigned by your router, such as 192.168/16 RFC 1918 addresses.
    - Using a Samsung TV RVU client the client to server (HR34/HR44) packets use the RFC 1918 addresses and not the RFC 3927 local link addresses that the mini DIRECTV clients use.

    Hope that helps clear things up as to what is and isn't being used.
     
  7. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

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    OK, based on what I reported in post http://www.dbstalk.com/topic/206735-genie-mini-clients-and-ip/?p=3163565 you might want to make sure that your client is being able to get an IP address from your router. About the only way you can make sure is first check to see if your router has run out of leases to assign, if not then do a reset on the client an check you routers log to see if you're seeing a DHCP request come in from the MAC address that's printed on the lable on the bottom of the client. Looks like if you don't have an IP address that's on your internal network assigned to your client then YouTube and Pandora might not work.

    UPDATE:I did remember a way to see what IP addresses are in the DIRECTV clients, press and hold the select button on the remote for 10 seconds (or maybe 12, I forget), that will bring up a screen showing the DHCP assigned and local link IP addresses for the client.
     
  8. RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

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    But you can't and still expect it to work.
     
  9. RAD

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    Press and hold SELECT on the remote for 10 seconds and you'll see two sets of IP addresses assigned to the cleint, your local networks address assigned via DHCP and the local link address. I assign an address via reservations and the box also gets a 169.254/16 address and yep it all works.
     
  10. Laxguy

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    I maintain, though, that unless you're an expert (and there are several posting here) in LANs, etc. you're better off with no reservations and no fixed IPs. Not to say they can't work even if set up by a newbie, but it increases the chances for failure.
     
  11. adamson

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    I have 17 different devices on my lan...My method prevents failure and easy tracking of devices. So whatever!
     
  12. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    Then I'd put you square in the category of experts!

    I really wrote that for folks who ain't expert, which would include me. Now, I did have fixed IPs on everything, but that was before I moved and had to go to a new setup, new, slow internet and different modem. It worked fine for me then, but now I have more users, more devices, and less familiarity with the U-verse supplied modem.
     
  13. ysottot

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    I held down the select button and yes there is an IP address from my router. 192.168.0.152. I can ping it too. Also a 169.254.x.x address. But still You Tube says there is no internet but Pandora works.
    I'd do a total reset on the HR34 but it says that all recordings will be lost.
     
  14. Laxguy

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    So, not a total reset; just a regular one. The red button does a low level reset, but some will say that's a poor choice, must use the menu.
     
  15. ysottot

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    Ok it's working now. I pressed the red reset button on the HR34. While it was rebooting I pressed the red rest button on the clients. I can now watch You Tube.
    Thanks to all that contributed.
     
  16. inkahauts

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    I have 21 and I never assign static ips and I don't have any failures... What is it that fails? Seriously,I dont know or understand what fails to the point you need to use static ips to avoid a failure.
     
  17. HoTat2

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    Just out of curiosity, if you have it in your setup, what packets do the mini clients use for WH streaming of programs stored on other DVRs outside the Genie server?
     
  18. dennisj00

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    I've got to jump in here and summarize and hopefully clear up some 'misconceptions' about IP addressing. . .

    There is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with setting Static IPs. Just be sure it's not used by another device and OUTSIDE of your DHCP range in your router. You can 'PING' that IP and see if you get a response before assigning it to another device. For example, if your addressing scheme is 192.168.1.x, you can ping 192.168.1.23 in a DOS window to see if it's used. You can use anything for the last group (x) from 1 -254 as long as it's unused.

    You'll have to check in your router for your DHCP range. Linksys typically uses 100-150. Some other routers use 2-254 which isn't very smart.

    Reservations are a way to set the same address to something you can't assign an address to. GenieGo is the best example of that. You need to set a Reservation - hopefully again outside of your DHCP range if your router allows it. . . DD-WRT does allow it. If you rely on DHCP for GenieGo, you'll possibly find OOH won't work when you want it to. It's address has changed and your router port forwards are wrong.

    Some routers still aren't happy with Directv DVRs and DHCP for some reason.

    I set static addresses for anything 'permanent' on my (and others that I support) LAN. I have one reservation - GenieGo. iPhones, iPads or other mobile devices use DHCP. And I keep a list of static addresses and label the devices.

    Genie clients do use the 169.x.x.x address to talk to the Genie. The 192.168.x.x (or other local lan address) is used to route to the internet for TVApps, youTube, and Pandora. The 169.x.x.x address is not routeable.

    It's not rocket science.
     
  19. dennisj00

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    The 169.x.x.x address is not obtained from the Genie. It's burned into the rom of the client device just like the MAC address.
     
  20. dennisj00

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    The genie uses the normal MRV path on the local LAN to supply the program to the genie client over the 169.x.x.x address scheme.
     

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