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Genie - Not (Ever?) For Me

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by JohnTSmith, Feb 17, 2013.

  1. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

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    Not tough at all, I do it everyday and so does my 7 year old. If he can figure it out........

    I certainly don't think my way is the only way, but I also know the term Media Server does not imply Long Term Storage. Long Term Storage being anything over 1 month, IMO.
     
  2. macfan601

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    I think that is exactly the problem. I am not sure I put much stock in your opinion. And if I may add is exactly why some people are leaving DBS and going to the other satellite forum. Just because some of you have thousands of posts and may or may not have some kind of connection with Directv does not make your opinion more right than other people's. I am happy for your 7 year old, but did not appreciate your put down. I have 3 earned college degrees and 31 years of teaching experience so I am no dummy. BTW, my subject was English Language and Literature so I understand completely my definition of terms.
     
  3. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    If you're going to brag about your education and career in English, then maybe you should use commas properly to avoid run on sentences.
     
  4. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

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    He probably shouldn't start sentences with "and" either, and I think it should be "so I am not a dummy".

    Then again, I didn't major in English - it was my minor.
     
  5. CCarncross

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    :shrug:

    Well, its days like these I'm embarrassed to be from Michigan. If you know anything about the poster's location, that also helps to explain it. :nono2:
     
  6. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    If DIRECTV can make WHDS work, encryption is clearly a crimson colored kipper candidate.
     
  7. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    With due respect, my basset-faced friend, I find it unthinkable that you have evidence to back up that claim. Whole-home service does not in any way imply that locally stored encrypted files can be easily changed to be receiver-agnostic.

    If you are suggesting that it is possible to change things so that recordings are encrypted to the account not the individual receiver, I'd reply that with enough resources almost anything is possible. I would then ask you to cite the results of the cost analysis that you must have done to support the idea that making such a change would ever bring anything close to a return on investment.
     
  8. Mike Greer

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    Did the temperature in here just drop or what? :eek2:

    Now we're fighting about what 'Long term storage' is? Must not be anything on TV this afternoon I guess!:)
     
  9. gov

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    I just figured if you could load up an external hard drive with 500 hours of HBO or Skinamax, you could let a buddy at work (who has D* but no premium channels) borrow the hard drive to watch movies and then no one in Hollywood gets $$$$ for his viewership.

    The encryption key keeps that from happening??
     
  10. ndole

    ndole Problem Solver

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    I can't remember.. who is it that has a fancy projector setup in their front room? I'm estoopid and cunfuz'd :lol:
     
  11. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    If it were done, you couldn't play back on anything but the registered receiver or perhaps, DIRECTV account (i.e., any of the receivers registered to that account). Sure, you could take it over to your buddy's house and play it there, but you can physically do that now, though it's quite against the ToS.
     
  12. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    I agree with Mr. Stew. Long term doesn't come into the equation, nor has it been defined here for that matter.
     
  13. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

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    Media server serves up media. No where is it truly designated and universally accepted by anyone everywhere what that media may be, or how its captured and sent and where its stored.

    In fact, Genie doesn't have to store a single min of anything on its hard drive to serve up media. It can send photos from your computer, music from Pandora, stream via the internet movies and tv shows, pump live stations, and even pull recorded shows from other machines, and distribute it to multiple tvs or sounds systems at the same time.

    That all makes it a media server without one second of stored media on its own hard drive.
     
  14. macfan601

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    You are correct as am I and others on here. According to PC Magazine there are many definitions of a media server. I think your definition might be #1 & #3 whereas my definition is #2.

    Definition of: media server

    (1) Software that makes audio and video files in the computer available on the network. For discovering files, media server software typically uses the Bonjour or UPnP protocols. For sharing files and playlists, they use DAAP or Windows Media Connect protocols. For example, iTunes uses Bonjour to discover and DAAP to share, while Windows Media Player uses UPnP and Windows Media Connect. See DAAP, UPnP, Bonjour, Windows Media Connect, Firefly, digital media hub and digital media server.

    (2) Hardware that stores digital music, images and videos for a stereo or home theater. See digital media server and Windows Media Center.

    (3) A computer system in a network that stores multimedia files for downloading over the Internet.

    (4) A computer system in an IP telephony network that transmits dial tones, busy signals and announcements such as "the number you have called is no longer in service." The media server can be a separate unit or part of a softswitch (media gateway controller). See IP telephony.
     
  15. Rickt1962

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    I do. I have a Home Theater Setup and use that as part of my Movie Library. tore my DVR apart and installed a 2 terabyte. Would of installed a 3 but Directv firmware in my unit doesnt see it.
     
  16. Rickt1962

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    Just found this online this morning http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr2.html

    Im going to check it out sounds better then burning disks !
     
  17. harsh

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    How do you suppose that WHDS allows encrypted content from one machine to be played on another machine in real time? My theory holds that the client receives a key as part of the handshake with the server and the rest is history.

    I don't have direct evidence or documentation, but I have block diagrams of chipsets and reason that seem to support my theory.

    Do you have insight or documentation that suggests that the server DVR somehow re-encrypts the stream using a different key or the clients own key? I'm pretty sure there isn't the hardware in there to do that. The Genie would need to re-encrypt "up to" three such streams simultaneously. Yes, I assume that the transmitted streams are encrypted but I don't think that's an unreasonable assumption in this day and age of DRM.
     
  18. macfan601

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    Smiles, actually I have a Black Magic, HDMI/1080p, video/audio capture card in my Mac Pro tower that I, ahemmmmm, usually don't talk about, besides my DVD burner in my computer, as well as my stand alone DVD burner. The Black Magic card works great and shall we say captures "everything", wink. Black Magic makes one for the PC too. It is more of a professional card that is used in Hollywood type work so you won't find it at Wally World but any "good" computer supply store should have it.
     
  19. Rickt1962

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    Thanks ! :) IL hav to check it out !
     
  20. JohnTSmith

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    Well, after reading all the replies and discussions and replies to discussions about what "brand x" does and what DTV woulda-coulda-shoulda done with recordings, I am still of the mind that I am VERY unlikely to switch from separate DVR boxes to a Genie

    IF DirecTV ever changes (doesn't sound likely, from what I've read here) I might consider a Genie and a "hot swap" drive enclosure with automatic backup so a single drive dying doesn't mean everything is lost... probably not going to happen

    Staying with my 4 DVR boxes is what I see for the future

    PS - I don't have/need one, but I see various Black Magic devices mentioned in the Adobe Premiere support forum... they seem like good products, except when Adobe comes out with a new Premiere version and BM takes awhile to catch up with new device drivers
     

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