Genie Upgrade - what to keep & where to put the main uni

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  1. michaelg

    michaelg New Member

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    I have been offered the upgrade to Genie path from DirecTV. I have read through the forums and have found a lot of answers.

    Everything with my setup is working fine. The Genie is somewhat attractive because there are a few times where double play gets interrupted by a need to record something I have put on the to do list. This doesn't happen a lot.

    It also is interesting to be able to have one place to worry about all your recordings -- though I realize the "all your eggs in one basket" problem.

    If there was an up charge on this I probably would stick with what I have. I think I will end up getting nicked for an extra $3 for the "whole home" aspect, since I am not signed on to that now. Otherwise it seems like the monthly cost is the same. Yes, I know I have to agree to a 2-year contract, but we've been mostly happy with DirecTV (since the HR10-250 days) and the alternatives aren't impressing me.

    My question(s) are more related to performance of the hardware.

    I currently have three receivers. I don't know if I should keep any or replace all. My gut tells me I should replace all, it will be an easier system to work with. But that's my gut.

    If I replace all I don't know where the main unit should go and where should the minis go. Wiring isn't an issue as I pulled multiple Quad-shielded coaxes and Cat6e to each location and all are working well.

    A) I have an HR21-700 hooked up to a flat screen (Samsung 3D set -- I don't think it can be an RVU) where we do most of our viewing. I have ethernet, phone and 3 coax runs here and there is an AM-21 connected for off air.

    B) I have a HR23-700 hooked up to a 1080p projector (EPSON 3D) in a theater setup. We do watch the projector, but it is more of an event so it doesn't happen all the time. I have ethernet and 3 coax runs here and there is an AM-21 connected for off air.

    C) I have an HR-20-700 hooked up to a small 21" (or so) flat screen to watch while doing laundry/ironing etc. This is the one place that doesn't have ethernet close by.

    Q1: Should I replace all with the Genie system?

    Since tuner capacity is pretty good right now, having 5 seems like that will be more than enough. (i've rarely not been able to record something) But I want the experience of flipping through the guide, changing channels, video and audio quality to be the same or better than what I have right now.

    Q2: If I do replace all, where should the main unit go?

    Since we watch more normal stuff on the Samsung, I want to make sure that the interface works quickly with no lag etc. When watch using the projector we usually don't flip channels a lot or go searching through the guide as much.

    I assume the video/audio quality is the same coming out the HDMI of the Genie and the Genie. Is that a correct assumption? (all display connections are HDMI) If the HR44 (assuming that and not the HR34) has better video/audio quality then I would connect that to the projector as the large screen will show more artifacts.

    (This is coming from someone who always watches the local stations via the AM21 because the compression via DirecTV is worse than OTA.)

    Sorry for the verbosity, just couldn't find these answers through searching.
     
  2. Drucifer

    Drucifer Well-Known Member

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    My suggestions:

    Genie goes in the most used room, replacing the HR21-700.

    Leave the HR23-700 alone

    Replace the HR20-700 with a mini.
     
  3. PK6301

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  4. RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

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    I'd keep the HR21 and HR23, replace the HR20 with the Genie and put the Genie in the room where you do your most viewing. Why downgrade from a DVR to mini? By keeping all the HR's you can record even more.
     
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  5. peds48

    peds48 Genius.

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    Yup, keep the HR2x. perhaps with a little $conjuring& you can convince your installer to upgrade the two remaining HRs to HR24s....
     
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  6. carl6

    carl6 Moderator Staff Member DBSTalk Club

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    You do want whole-home, the $3 is worth it. You don't need ethernet at all locations, only at one point to interconnect your entire DirecTV system to your LAN/WAN.

    The Genie clients will give you the same video quality as the Genie itself, or as your current DVRs.

    I agree with the others regarding keeping your DVRs as opposed to getting clients.
     
  7. Juanus

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    I am in the same situation as the original poster.
    I had 4 DVRs on a SWM8 and they just upgraded me to the genie and two clients (for a fee unfortunately)
    However, Since I have a SWM8 and the Genie takes up 5, I am only able to keep one DVR (which we were planning to keep in the Master BR)
    How would I go about keeping other DVRs to "record even more"? As RunnerFL said. Just makes sense that I could only keep one other DVR because that would equal 7 tuners and not exceed 8?

    Thanks
     
  8. Bill Broderick

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    I was essentially in the same situation as the TS is. I had two HR21's and one HR20. I put my Genie in the most used location and worked out an arrangement with my tech to replace my other two HR's with HR24's. If I hadn't been able to replace the older HR's, I probably would have kept the HR21's. There is no way that I would have replaced any HR's with clients. I don't see any reason to give up recordable tuners when there it doesn't cost me any more to keep them.
     
  9. EricBergan

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    Any recordings you want to save? I just did the upgrade earlier this week, and moved but kept our HR20-100 (which needed backflips to connect for Whole Home) because of lots of recorded shows on an external drive. So it replaced one receiver, and got a mini to replace the other receiver. Everything is playing nicely together, now.

    (BTW, the installer was clearly willing to update the HR20, but I told him I need the shows.)
     
  10. Bill Broderick

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    Oh yeah. I forgot to mention that I did a LOT of TV watching in the few weeks that preceded my upgrade. I checked to see what shows were available in HD via VOD and didn't bother watching them, until I was finished watching everything else that I wanted to see, because I knew that I could catch up with those shows once I got my new equipment. Right before my appointment, I made a list of all of the shows/episode names that were still on the DVR's, so I would know exactly what needed to be downloaded.
     
  11. carl6

    carl6 Moderator Staff Member DBSTalk Club

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    You need an SWM16 multiswitch, which will be provided as long as you can convince DirecTV to let you keep the other DVRs. I know people who have been told they can't keep the additional DVRs (because DirecTV or the installer did not want to fess up an SWM16), but in fact you can and there is proper equipment to support 16 tuners.
     
  12. Juanus

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    That is what I figured. Unfortunately they didn't send an installer out. They just shipped me the boxes and told me to do it myself. I really don't need more than the 8. I am just being greedy.

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  13. Bill Broderick

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    Do you have an external SWM8 multiswitch or do you have a SWM LNB? If you have a SWM8, swapping it out for a SWM16 should be a piece of cake (unless it's located in a difficult to access location). You can get them on ebay for < $50.
     
  14. bpratt

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    I have an HR44 and two HR21s connected to a SWM8. All you need to do is configure one of the HR2x to use only one tuner. You will still be able to record two things at once with the DVR set to 1 tuner if at least one of them is OTA.
     
  15. michaelg

    michaelg New Member

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    Original poster here--

    Thanks for all the great advice! I think you've all made me think a little bit more about the transition. I had thought that replacing everything with a Genie system was going to be the most practical. But some of the comments made me start thinking about the downside of having all your eggs in one basket.

    Regarding keeping the HR23-700, are there any operational issues with doing that? (both from an advanced user like myself, and less advance "this just has to work" user like other family members)

    With the Genie it looks like everything is integrated, will there be something that is more convoluted with a Genie combined the HR23-700?

    For example, it seems like with the Genie, I can setup a recording while watching TV in any room.
    I assume that I can't set up a recording on the HR23-700 from the Genie.

    Do I just change my thinking -- that with the whole house option -- don't think of it as rooms that I am recording to, but just channels of recording that I can access in any room. And I might do more recording setups online?

    Thanks again!
     
  16. peds48

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    Correct, but you can always use the smartphones apps to schedule to the HDDVR
     
  17. Supramom2000

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    The mini clients are extensions of the Genie, so you can record to your Genie from any room that has a mini. Conversely, a stand-alone DVR does not have any way to record to another DVR or have it be chosen to be the unit holding the recording. Except from the Direct TV app as Peds noted.

    If you enable whole home on all DVRs, then you can choose wherever you want to watch the recording from. You can watch from the Genie, the clients and the stand-alone DVR. You can watch any recording that is on any DVR.

    Hope that helps!
     
  18. michaelg

    michaelg New Member

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    Excellent information, thanks!
     
  19. narrod

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    I recently went through the upgrade. I went from 6 HD-DVRs to the Genie, two HD-DVRs and three clients. I can record nine programs at the same time. I can't imagine needing more. My main TV is in the Den. I also have an antenna connected at that location for OTA. I didn't want to lose it so I had the Genie placed in the master bedroom with a wireless connection. So far, everything works fine.
     
  20. pdawg17

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    Hmmm. So the negative of keeping an HD-DVR over a client is you can't see what the Genie's ToDo list or season pass list is right?
     

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