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Goodbye Dish Network, Hello Voom!!!

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Iceman, Apr 30, 2004.

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  1. Steveox

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    Voom is 100 channels.Big deal! If voom gets over 200 i might check into it.
     
  2. JM Anthony

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    I'm sure they can hardly wait until they land you as a customer.
     
  3. jimboeau

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    Somehow I don't think Steve-Ox has the coin to spring for an HDTV.
     
  4. Ken_F

    Ken_F Godfather/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

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    I'm not sure Steve-Ox even knows what HDTV is. If he does, he certainly doesn't care about it.
     
  5. Steveox

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    I know what it is.This is an HDTV [​IMG]
    But i dont like HDTV i think theyre stupid and a waste of money.I like an old style TV much better.
     
  6. garypen

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    I'm sure that once your parents buy an HDTV, you'll like it much better.
     
  7. Iceman

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    Hey Gary,
    Don't pay him any attention. He is a jerkoff who obviously doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.
     
  8. Steveox

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    Iceman i understand.Some people here just love to be a jerk.And gary is one of them.
     
  9. MattS

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    Well then you like the crappy image compared to HDTV.
     
  10. garypen

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    Cut the kid some slack, Ice. You were young once, too. ;)
    He does have a cool avatar! (I still like Matt's the best, though.) Although, I don't understand either's deep love and devotion to Dish.
     
  11. MattS

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    I don't have a deep love for Dish. I just know things about the company, others wouldnt. So I offer that chunk of info. Dish pisses me off alot of times, but in a non service type of thing. If you know what I mean.
     
  12. Steveox

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    If dish pisses you off just picture what would direct tv bring you.
     
  13. MattS

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    Dish pisses me off in other ways. As in internally.
     
  14. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Matt, you shouldn't let a satellite provider get inside you and tear you up.

    Gary, check into the psycological phenom of "projection". And I'm not talking about projrction HDTV. Perhaps the reason you think SteveOx is a child is projection?

    Steve, congratulations on figuring out how to find images on the internet. It seems to have been lost that you brought D* into this thread to say how much better E* is, but I agree that V* has problems to overcome.

    V*'s Problems
    IMnsHO the biggest problem with V* their failed launch - it took them years to get going and then they sold equipment at a very high price to the early adopters. Then V* turned around and started selling equipment the right way. I feel sorry for the early adopters of V* - perhaps "cognitive dissonance" is why they keep defending the service beyond belief.

    With only 11 transponders, V* is facing an uncertain future. Either they:
    1) remain limited like SkyAngel with only a certain number of channels available, adding new means dropping others.
    2) squeeze more channels on a transponder, which will make PQ suffer - or
    3) come up with more transponders.

    For now they are a nitch provider, and there are others who don't want two DBS services so until they can get their basics, the HD is out of the question. It's just a matter of numbers.

    If all you care about is HD or you have the cash to invest in two DBS providers then bye bye - hope the PQ stays up - E* will be there when you want to come back. It's annoying to hear the 'leader' comments ... I hope Charlie keeps that toned down. But <shock horror> there is more to DBS than HD.

    JL
     
  15. Darkman

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    hehe - now that you changed your other .. pretty Dish avatar to this spinning but also unique Dish avatar.. - Can i use your old Dish avatar for a while (the pretty one)? :DD
     
  16. Steveox

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    Be my guest :sure:
     
  17. garypen

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    If I didn't think of him as a kid, he'd probably just piss me off with his ridiculous, irrational, and ill-informed comments.

    As for projection...yes, I'm young at heart. Proud of it. Like the Who said, "I hope I die before I get old". I may be losing my hair, and putting on a few pounds, but I'm younger inside than the humorless, sour-faced mooks I see all around me at work, on the street, running our country, or online.

    I like thinking young. However, there is big difference between young and immature.
     
  18. Iceman

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    V*'s Problems
    IMnsHO the biggest problem with V* their failed launch - it took them years to get going and then they sold equipment at a very high price to the early adopters. Then V* turned around and started selling equipment the right way. I feel sorry for the early adopters of V* - perhaps "cognitive dissonance" is why they keep defending the service beyond belief.

    1. Voom didn't do anything different from what Dish Network did. I didn't get my Dish Network equipment for free. I have been with them for several years. It cost me at the time a few hundred dollars when I first went with Dish. It wasn't until the last couple of years you could get free equipment.



    With only 11 transponders, V* is facing an uncertain future. Either they:
    1) remain limited like SkyAngel with only a certain number of channels available, adding new means dropping others.
    2) squeeze more channels on a transponder, which will make PQ suffer - or
    3) come up with more transponders.
    For now they are a nitch provider, and there are others who don't want two DBS services so until they can get their basics, the HD is out of the question. It's just a matter of numbers.



    2. Not true. Voom will be the first and only provider to come out with MPEG5 (or something like that) VERY soon that will allow them to basically allow them to compress space and add more channels WITHOUT losing any picture quality. Someone who has read up more about this technology can explain it better.
    Voom is committed to all of us who own HD equipment and want that technology available asap. Charlie on the other hand has flat out lied to us. First he said Dish Network "IS" the HD leader. Now, he says Dish Network "WILL" be the HD leader.
    I am currently paying $10/month for 4 channels (3 really since ESPNHD isn't 24/7 HD). That is a total ripoff! How many channels has Charlie even ATTEMPTED to add to this package within the past year??? NONE!
    He has proven time and time again that his main concern is to add locals and more locals. His heart is not with HD technology. Therefore, his company has nothing to offer me anymore.
    Go figure
     
  19. James Long

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    Perhaps if you learned to QUOTE your message wouln't take so much time to decifer ...
    Rainbow DBS/Cablevision/Voom took far too many years to get a signal on the air. Dish Network had their own signal up years before, even though their authorizations came through at about the same time. And V* managed to get themselves stuck on 61.5º. They entered the marketplace in October of 2003. They should have had the BRAINS to enter the market as it existed in 2003 ... not be stuck back in the early days gone by.

    Perhaps you should know what you are talking about before you jump ship. Voom expects to move to 8PSK and MPEG-4 ... but it still has to run on the limited bandwidth of 11 transponders. Compression is compression and the number of bits is finite. All "better compression" does is hide the artifacts. The straw is only so large.

    And anyone who gets this wound up about DBS should be committed themselves. AT THE TIME the statement was made it was accurate. The market has caught up. To survive V* needs to get a western slot, because E* will add more channels at some point. And V* will have serious competition from a company that can give you more than HD, and can serve the West coast without sight line problems.

    So when does your contract expire? We can have a going away party! :lol:

    JL
     
  20. cameron119

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    Voom is already using 8PSK. Apparently they have abandoned MPEG4 in favor of WM9. Most folks who have compared the two favor WM9...not to mention the fact that Microsoft doesn't want your first born to license the technology.
     
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