Great article comparing all the streaming options for cord cutters and folks thinking about it

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  1. Rich

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    Lots of ways to heat pools inexpensively. All you really need is some imagination, a garden hose and a circulating pump. I have a gas line going to my generator and I'm gonna tap off that to feed the pool's heater. Used to have a pool on the other side of the house, heated that in several ways, want to do it properly this time, doesn't cost all that much. But, if I were to go solar...I gotta give that some thought. Good suggestion, thanks.

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  2. Kuclas

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    I’m still on the fence to go back to directv satellite vs keeping spectrum (silver package) vs philo plus YouTube tv

    The reality Is the cost are all relatively the same when you include the internet cost

    This is what I’m looking at
    1. Spectrum silver ($70 plus 1 hd dvr ($15) plus bogus $12 local channels fees plus bogus extra taxes) equals $95 price locked for 2 years plus 400mpbs internet ($40) total cost including taxes is $138 (no data cap)

    2. Att fiber internet standalone (no data cap 1000 mpbs) $70 first year plus YouTube tv ($50) plus $20 philo (my wife wants lifetime movie channel (philo) and bravo/oxygen (YouTube tv). Plus Florida bogus 12% communications taxes. Equals $78 for YouTube tv plus philo. Plus $70 for internet. Total cost $148

    3. Directv satellite xtra package (includes oxygen/lifetime movie network) $70 plus 3 receivers ($14 extra). So $84 plus bogus taxes regional sports fee ($8-9) plus other bogus taxes including Florida communications 12% tax . Comes out to $109. Plus 1000mpbs ($70-$10 bundle discount). Total cost is $169 with taxes (New customer pricing). $450 gift cards. Adjusted for gift cards $132 a month (months 1-12). Months 13-24 price goes up to like $175-180/months (tv and internet)

    So really no where to hide. Prices roughly the same unless we truly cut the cord. And no sports for me. No women’s channels for my wife. I have amazon fire tv recast which works pretty well and getting better since I got it in December 2018 when it first came out. But my wife doesn’t like the recast even with the philo integration (tried test trial 7 days) We have 5 fire 4K tv boxes/4K sticks. Also have 3 Apple TV 4K. I love my gadgets.

    I’ve been trying spectrum for last 21 days. Have 9 days left in 30 day money back policy. Spectrum is ok. Apple TV spectrum app can get blurry and it’s known problem during high demand times. (I switch to standalone app for same channel) on Apple TV and standalone app is not blurry. So it’s the spectrum tv app. Not my internet. I got steady 300-400mpbs linksys WiFi velop mesh (6 of them in the house hard wired Ethernet). So the blurry pics on spectrum app from time to time is not due to internet.

    I’m inclined to stick with spectrum at this time. No contract anyways.

    But YouTube Tv plus philo May be in the plans soon. I used my brother YouTube tv account and it loads channels quick much quicker than spectrum tv app on Apple TV. But my wife wants integrated channels and doesn’t want to navigate philo plus YouTube tv. Happy wife happy life.
     
  3. Sep 1, 2019 #204 of 263
    SledgeHammer

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    Have you tried the "secret" Preferred Xtra package? It's pretty much Xtra, but you get rid of the RSN fee (you lose a sports channel, but you care as much about sports as I do, it seems :D). It's not available online, you have to call in, but it'll save you the $8 or $9.

    Florida has 12% tax on Sat? Yikes... BFD though since you don't have state income tax lol... I'd take that deal.

    If you don't mind playing the loyalty program game once a year, you can generally renew the promos when they fall off. Sounds like that would be the cheapest option for you. But some folks on here don't want to be bothered with calling in once a year, so YMMV...
     
  4. Sep 1, 2019 #205 of 263
    Kuclas

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    I did try to play the loyalty game. My directv choice (grandfathered with lifetime movie network my wife wants that’s now on xtra package) was $72 a month (I had att wireless $25 video loyalty credit plus $40 12 month credit ended August 6 2019). I called directv and all they offered was $5 off. So my bill with Internet would have gone up to $160/month with att fiber 1000mpbs ($70-$20 credit)

    So I canceled it and directv never called back. So I returned the directv boxes one week later.
     
  5. Sep 1, 2019 #206 of 263
    riprecked

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    I’ve tried all the services and YouTube TV was my choice. PQ is excellent and the interface is great. Works on tons of devices.

    Yes - the CBS/CW recordings insert commercials that you cannot get around. My answer has been to stop watching them since there is so much quality stuff on other channels and streaming services.

    Had DirectTV since the beginning and do not miss it at all.
     
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  6. Sep 3, 2019 #207 of 263
    SledgeHammer

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    Yeah, that's great except YouTube is missing a lot of channels: PBS, A&E, BET, DIY, History, Lifetime, MTV, Science, TVLand, VH1 and possibly others. Plus like you said, you get forced to watch ads on CBS.
     
  7. Sep 3, 2019 #208 of 263
    espaeth

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    With the exception of PBS (which is coming to Youtube TV this fall), you can pick up all of those channels for $20/mo with Philo if you want to have them. With PBS if you make a tax deductible $60/year donation you get Passport access, and can watch from the PBS catalog commercial free on demand.

    Yeah, it’s not all one service, but the flexibility exists to pick up the content you want. The other advantage is no contracts, so it doesn’t cost you any more than a month of service (in most cases) if you decide to change course. For example, right now Dish & Sling have a dispute with FOX Sports RSNs. If you just signed up for Dish in June 2019, you have to pay a hefty cancellation fee to change services before June 2021. With Sling, if you decided your RSN was a channel you must have, the worst you’re out is the remainder of a month of service, and you can freely sign up with any of the other live streaming providers that currently carry the channel.
     
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    Rich

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    Well said!

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    I think, unfortunately, we are going to see more stations pull out of these bundles and sell themselves (or bundled with co-owned channels). I wonder how soon NBC, ABC, etc will start having shows only on their packages as CBS has done. How many ESPN stuff will be moved to ESPN+.
    I really don't want to have 10 packages to watch we we can now.
     
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    SledgeHammer

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    Ok, so I need YouTube for $50/mo and Philio for $20/mo + $5/mo for PBS (and I'll just assume I didn't miss any other channels). The $5 I guess goes away when/if YouTube gets PBS = $75/mo now. Why wouldn't I just keep DirecTV at that price? I'm paying LESS then that for Preferred Xtra + HR54. Plus I don't have to worry about going over the Cox 1TB data cap.
     
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    SledgeHammer

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    Well said!

    Poor :D.
     
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    SledgeHammer

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    YASS! Yet another streaming service. CBS has done it, ESPN has done it. Disney has done it. HBO has done it. WB has done it. More to follow. In a few years, you'll pretty much be buying 2 or 3 channels at a time.
     
  13. Sep 3, 2019 #214 of 263
    slice1900

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    People kept saying they wanted "ala carte". When they get it, they might be sorry!
     
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    lparsons21

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    That has been said for a very long time. The ‘packages’ came about because of that very reason.


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    SledgeHammer

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    If you watch a few channels here and there, "ala carte" might be good. If you watch 10 - 20 channels or more, probably not because the chance of a package existing with your 10 - 20 channels is virtually nil.

    The situation today is "ala carte" in that you need multiple providers to get everything you want. At first glance, I need YouTube + Philo + PBS. Then throw in Netflix if I want my Z Rated Third World movies like Calibre and Amazon Prime if I want free shipping + classic TV. Oh and since YouTube forces ads on CBS, I'll need YASS for that since I refuse to watch ads. Then I'll also need a OTA DVR to get my local sub channels.
     
  16. Sep 3, 2019 #217 of 263
    espaeth

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    Preferred Xtra isn’t the same content though. YoutubeTV has ESPN, NBCSN, CBS SportsNet, Golf channel, Tennis channel, MLB Network, FS1, FS2, your regional sports network, etc.

    You’re right that adding additional services to get channels can bump the costs, but it’s the same thing with DIRECTV — the only difference is giving all your money to a single entity instead of a few different services. (you also don’t have to carry all services every month, if you don’t watch all the channels year-round)

    Want Viacom, A&E, and Discovery/Scripps? DIRECTV Select gets you many of those (no Science channel, Travel channel)
    Need ESPN, NBCSN, FS1? Now you have to upgrade to the Entertainment pack
    Need your RSN? Now you have to upgrade to Choice, and pay the ridiculous RSN fee.
    Want Science Channel, CBS Sports Network, Destination America, FS2, Olympic channel? Now you have to upgrade to Xtra

    If you want the Smithsonian channel, you have to pay the extra $5/mo for the “Movies Xtra” pack

    Plus you have the initial drag of $17+ in equipment fees starting with a HD non-DVR system and going up from there.

    The $50 for YoutubeTV + $20 for Philo gets you 95% of what’s in Xtra and parts of the Movies Xtra pack, and isn’t saddled with additional RSN fees, HD fees, DVR fees, receiver fees, etc.
     
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    SledgeHammer

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    I got Preferred Xtra because I have < 0 interest in sports and like other non-sports fans, I wasn't happy about paying $8/mo for sports fans. There are a few shows I like on Smithsonian, but not enough to pay $5/mo for it. Like I said, $50 + $20 + $5 (for PBS, not Smithsonian) is more then I am paying out the door for Preferred Xtra + HR54. No connection to DirecTV whatsoever. The 50% discount is strictly through the loyalty program. Preferred Xtra has no RSN fee, and I'm on legacy pricing which is $10 HD + $10 DVR + $3 WHDVR and first DVR is free. Plus its one provider vs. 3 or 4, one bill every month and it has a single, unified interface. On top of that, no streaming provider delivers the local subchannels which is again, all integrated into one box and one UI and one guide.

    I've tried Netflix and Amazon Prime and ran out of stuff to watch on the 1 month trials. Now that Netflix is losing all its content (last report had 70+% of the viewed stuff as licensed content), it's pretty much going to be worthless. They seem to be mostly focused on foreign movies now which tend to be terrible. The US made stuff isn't a whole lot better. I watched The Teacher and from the description it was made out to be some bad a$$ teacher kicks bullies a$$ type movie ala The Substitute. In reality it was a super tame knock off where the teacher didn't do much of anything. The Substitute was an Oscar winner compared to The Teacher. On my AP trial, I resorted to re-watching Burn Notice (great show!) because any decent movie on AP is PPV.
     
  18. Sep 3, 2019 #219 of 263
    James Long

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    New technology but the same concept ... "pay for only the channels I want" turns in to pay more for the same content - or lose content paying more per channel for what one wants. The true cord cutters will do OK ... but the cord swappers may end up wishing for the good old days of package TV.

    Packages serve the industry, but subscribers get a benefit. Content providers have been able to create new channels knowing that they will be able to deliver them to millions of homes. They may only get 10c per subscriber, but it is enough to sustain the channel.

    Without the millions of guaranteed subscribers it is more difficult to launch a financially successful channel. One ends up with lower quality (cheaper) content or more commercials (or both). Or a higher price for those who choose to subscribe.
     
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    Every channel I watch is on Hulu Live TV.....most people don’t need/watch every single channel.....I sure as heck don’t watch MTV.

    $44....no monthly equipment fees and a huge selection of on demand. DirecTv is getting ready to lose a 22 year customer.

     
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