Great article comparing all the streaming options for cord cutters and folks thinking about it

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  1. Sep 4, 2019 #241 of 263
    grover517

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    That was also a biggie for me. I have a special pricing deal that I have had now for about 4 years from Xfinity. For a measly 64.00/month, I get 150/10 Blast, Basic Streampix AND HBO included! I own my own modem and AC router so no extras there either and my hardware is MUCH more "streaming friendly" in regards to being able to prioritize my data within my network than most can with rented/leased modems/routers from their ISP's.

    At least for me, going OTT was almost a no brainer. I was paying duplicate for a lot of stuff while still with D* and getting rid of not only that redundant programming (locals, HBO, etc) as well as all those extra "fees" for HD, DVR, RSN's, etc. is where my savings really piled up. Not everyone has the types of advantages I had when I switched.
     
  2. Sep 4, 2019 #242 of 263
    SledgeHammer

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    I have 1Gbps internet with Cox, but it has a 1TB cap. Getting rid of the cap costs $50/month :mad:. People with caps should have concerns if they plan on streaming a lot. Likewise people with slow connections would need to upgrade or may not even be able to if that's all they can get in their area. Upgrading the internet might also mean upgrading their router if they have an N.
     
  3. Sep 4, 2019 #243 of 263
    SledgeHammer

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    When they had content, maybe... now that they are losing all the licensed content, not so much... and wall street is punishing shareholders for Hastings arrogance.
     
  4. Sep 4, 2019 #244 of 263
    TV_Guy

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    I have a special pricing deal also for about $43 for 100/25. Most likely due to competition with Fios. Switching from Directv was straightforward in terms of internet since I already had adequate bandwidth so I did not need to touch it. In terms of programming YTTV is a good fit since I mainly watch news and sports. Occasionally watch a movie on Vudu or Fandango or watch some of the free streaming services. The ability to connect a third set was a big plus with YTTV. Would have needed an HDMI splitter or a 2 year commitment to add a third tv. Also would have needed a $60 monthly Directv credit to equalize the pricing.
     
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  5. Sep 4, 2019 #245 of 263
    CTJon

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    The other issue for me is- OK normally I watch these shows on these channels - then a new show or series is announced on a channel I currently don't have. So then in standard TV stuff I have to upgrade a package - with streaming I might have to add a totally new streaming source. I don't think we can win in the current age and I think it will get worse if all these streaming sources are successful. However, we will lose with all the stress we are feeling
     
  6. Sep 4, 2019 #246 of 263
    Rich

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    When I hit a site like NF or Hulu I tend to stay on that site til I run out of stuff I want to see. I can stay on sites for months. I don't think I'd go the one sub at a time thing either, was just saying it was doable.

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  7. Sep 4, 2019 #247 of 263
    Rich

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    That's what happened to me about 3 years ago. Suddenly I stopped using D* for just about everything. Sadly, I have to keep D*. Just can't see a way out. YTTV is starting to interest me, all the good things I'm reading about has kinda grabbed me. I'd only lose WPIX and about 20 Yankees games...seems like a bit more than "only" tho.

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    I'll second that a steady speed of 25k down is recommended by most for streaming 4k.
     
  9. Sep 4, 2019 #249 of 263
    TV_Guy

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    Looks like a resale of WPIX to Scripps is pending. Not sure that it will lead to carriage on YTTV. Unless you have physical obstructions to the Empire State Building an OTA antenna designed for VHF and a DVR should do the trick. Compared to D* pricing it should pay for itself in less than 6 months. Also gets you subchannels and insulates you from OTA channel disputes which are inevitable. Locast would be another option for $5 a month but no DVR capability.
     
  10. Sep 4, 2019 #250 of 263
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    My most important thing is a happy wife

    I canceled my combo directv Choice (with grandfather lifetime movie network that now only xtra package with 3 receivers hr44 dvr 1tb cause Bill was gonna up to $112 (had also grandfathered $25 off indefinitely video loyalty credit) plus $50 for 1000mpbs promo (promo expires January $80-10 bundle -$20 12 month credit )

    Went to spectrum ($138 total) $40 internet (400mpbs) plus spectrum silver (has hbo and showtime) (1 dvr box ). I thought I could save $20 a month by using spectrum app for streaming on my 3 Apple TV boxes

    Well the spectrum experiment is ending! The dvr box works fine. It’s the spectrum streaming app that sucks. Tried to watch us open on spectrum streaming app and got blurry images half the time. Either spectrum can’t handle the traffic load or the app sucks. Not acceptable. My wife had been complaining for a couple of weeks with the app. It’s inconsistent images. Again this morning. At 10am. She tried to watch her lifetime movies. Grainy images 10% of the time on the app. Unacceptable. It’s not the internet. I got solid 300-400mpbs on the mesh WiFi’s velop with router Ethernet connected to Apple TV as well. The espn stand alone app streamed perfectly last night while the spectrum app struggled with the us open tennis match.

    So I called att up and got the 1000mpbs fiber internet getting reinstalled tomorrow. For $70/month plus $100 visa gift card. No data cap on 1000mpbs. But I won’t go back to directv. I used my brother YouTube tv app and it’s solid. Plus we used philo test a few months ago.

    So I will pay the $70 for YouTube tv and philo plus $70 for att internet (no taxes on att internet fiber). 12% Florida communication taxes on

    So I will paying roughly $148 for internet and tv.

    Similar to direct choice ($112 plus $50 1000mpbs) I would have been paying with the price increase. Directv did offer me $5 off a month to stay. So it would have been $157/month total with 3 boxes Including taxes

    My wife just wants something to work.

    All my hassle and in the end I’m just gonna to save around $10. Lol. I think YouTube tv plus philo will work especially with cloud dvr

    We don’t stream more than 2 at a time anyways

    The 800 pounds for me really was I love my att fiber I just hated to lose the fiber servhxe. Rock solid and don’t have to share with neighbors cable connections. Though spectrum Internet was solid the 28 days I have used it so far.
     
  11. Sep 5, 2019 #251 of 263
    Rich

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    That's something I'd like to test but I don't know how to do that...what I mean is how do I get down from 300 to 25? Suggestions?

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    Above my paygrade lol. Never tried to 'lower' my speed.
     
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    From this:

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    to this?

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    Rich

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    Yup, looked at those options and really don't want to go back to antennas again. Buying a DVR would be interesting but no matter what I can do, the easiest thing I can do is stick with D* for sports. Fortunately, my wife isn't as invested is streaming as I am and she's not complaining about the D* bill. Appreciate the suggestions, thanks.

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    Rich

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    Yeah, I can lower voltage but download speed defeats me.

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  16. Sep 5, 2019 #256 of 263
    SledgeHammer

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    Your router should have throttle controls. Could be called something like bandwidth management, etc.
     
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  17. Sep 5, 2019 #257 of 263
    Kuclas

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    Agree most modern routers u can divert speeds towards different devices to slow down ur speed.
     
  18. Sep 5, 2019 #258 of 263
    slice1900

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    Some routers support something called QoS or quality of service, which would let you restrict the download or upload speeds. But the interface for it on a consumer router may leave a lot to be desired. If you were running DD-WRT on your router I could tell you how to do it...

    Whether 25 Mbps is enough depends on how much bandwidth the "4K" you are watching requires. Services that do canned streaming (i.e. non live) like Netflix can compress better than "live" streaming that vMVPDs do. If you watch one of those FS1 football games on a streaming service, 25 Mbps isn't going to be enough unless they are trimming the quality compared to what Directv is sending out via satellite.
     
  19. Sep 5, 2019 #259 of 263
    Rich

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    I'm not interested enough to play with my routers. In the example you give about FS1 and 4K football games, how much would you actually need?

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  20. Sep 5, 2019 #260 of 263
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    Despite its name, streaming isn’t really a “stream” of packets. Your player is downloading a bunch of 2-10 second video clips and playing them back in a continuous / gapless manner. That’s why online live streams have a lag behind broadcast live streams — your player downloads a bunch of chunks of video to fill the buffer so it has content to play, and then it goes to fetch another batch of clips to follow that up.

    Your “stream” of video really ends up looking like this:
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    For 4k video, the average bitrate for the Women’s World Cup coverage was around 30mbps when aggregating the data out to 60 second intervals. (ie, what a standard router utilization graph would display) When I was looking at the real time (per second) download stats, the individual window downloads were actually hitting 200-250mbps.

    Each time your player downloads a collection of incremental video segments, it measures the download performance. Based on the observed download rate, it selects the appropriate resolution/bitrate video feed to fetch from the upstream source. Most streaming providers adjust these algorithms to be conservative and favor continuous playback over highest bitrate (ie, if you’re marginally close to a threshold, it’s going to err on the side of caution and ramp down).

    While a 30mbps connection would technically support the FOX Live 4k streams, I think it would take several minutes for the player to “trust” the bandwidth to actually ramp up to 4k, if it ever makes it to that resolution at all. With no margin to work with, there would be too much risk in maintaining fluid playback.
     
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