Great article comparing all the streaming options for cord cutters and folks thinking about it

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  1. Aug 13, 2019 #81 of 263
    mjwagner

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    Touche!...finger check on my part. That will teach me to post after midnight. Post corrected.
     
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    Not a complete "equivalent". There were a couple channels (one of the Hallmark channels) that weren't available in the lower packages and I still wanted to keep my FS Detroit, ESPN's, CBSSN, BTN, NBCSN, FS1/2, which PS Vue provides with no extra fees or packages and as I mentioned, we already had access to HBO thru our internet package and we would have to pay extra to get that back. And besides, even if it had all the channels we wanted, it would have mitigated the cost difference a bit but by how much without discounts, which AT&T says I am not eligible for and we are still paying fee upon fee for things we now get for free.

    Such as? I am not aware of any options that allow full functionality of the service at each TV that also don't require a "tuner" from somewhere else, like a mini using a tuner from the Genie. That doesn't work for us since many times we record 3 and 4 things at once on the Genie while watching TV live on a couple TV's in the house. Between the Recast OTA DVR and it's 4 tuner/2 stream capabilities as well as not one but two cloud DVR's between PS Vue and Philo that have no limits on how many we can record at once, we haven't had one single conflict or issue yet in watching and recording what we want to. The only thing we see different is that we can't keep recordings for more than a month, which we never do anyway and so far, are able to skip commercials in everything we record both on the Recast DVR and both cloud DVR's. The ONLY time we have to watch commercials is if we are watching live or on demand, which isn't often.

    Another workaround for a "premium" service? Does it ever end?

    Truthfully, I just got tired of paying for a premium service only to have to constantly "work around" stuff. From rain/snow fade, to losing programming to disputes, to worrying about if I can get a discount to keep prices reasonable, to loss of our ability to take our service with us in our RV for free, to having to now deal with the overseas call centers, to billing errors that they can't seem to fix, to paying fee upon fee, to paying for locals we don't currently have, to now discovering just how many OTA channels we now get for free, to finding out we could do a lot more for a LOT less AND without all the workarounds, we just got tired of it. And it's not just the hassle and effort required but all the additional costs out of my pocket to do many of those "work around's" that is just becoming too much.

    We loved our D* service for over 20 years, but in the past year or two, it just became an even bigger hassle than it had ever been yet we were still paying a premium price for what we now consider a sub par service that you constantly have to tweak and work around. Like I stated earlier, if you value 4K, NFL ST (or other premium exclusives), Dolby 5.1 or the other "premium" types of things like that D* offers, then D* is a good choice and I totally understand why many, like yourself, still value them. But for many others like us, all we want is something that gives us the channels we want, at a reasonable price, without a bunch of fees, conditions and contracts, and be able to watch what we want, where we want, when we want, but most importantly, not constantly have to "work around" things so it can do what you need it to do. We have all the "important" stuff we wanted such as Whole Home, HD, DVR, own our equipment, can take it with us anywhere or stream EVERYTHING from home to anywhere, no boxes, no fees, no commitments, and no AT&T.


    And yet cost us even more than we already were paying for what? The ability to upgrade our equipment every few years without a new commitment or cost or worse yet, paying for something I may not even need? With AT&T announcing their winding down of the sat service in 10 years or so, how much "new" equipment do you really think there will be coming now? The HS17 setup is already a non starter for us so anything new coming out is not going to be any different. If anything, it will be even more centralized than it already is.

    The irony of all this is that if AT&T had just done three things differently, we would still be "working around" all the other stuff and stuck around. If they hadn't taken away the ability of changing our service address twice a year, replaced my malfunctioning LCC and offered us even the smallest of discounts for a year due to our 22 years of loyalty and/or because we have now lost 3 locals to disputes, we wouldn't have left. So in a twisted way, I have to actually thank AT&T for being the company they are.

    We now have a solution that works, does what we want and need, removes ALL of the previous work around's and even gives us additional flexibility and programming we NEVER had with D*, at 1/3 the cost and the only NEW "work around" we have is learning the new UI, which after only a month of use, we are already comfortable with and actually like better than D*'s.
     
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  3. Aug 13, 2019 #83 of 263
    SledgeHammer

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    I as well as many others have been milking the discounts for YEARS.

    I mentioned RVU. Mark did mention you'd have to have a TV that supports it which apparently they stopped in 2017. Not saying its a good solution, but its there. The minis are also pretty small and can be hidden behind your TV.

    Yes, for some reason people are willing to make allowances for all the workarounds you need for streaming, but not for DirecTV :D.

    Ah, but now you'll have to deal with a lot of other things like forced ads and other things the content providers are trying to see how far they can push on streaming :D.

    The workaround I mentioned is to VPN into your network. Yup. Super exhausting :D. You can add in all your locals with an AM21 or a LCC (if you don't mind the bugs LOL, I went back to the AM21).

    Like others, it sounds like you are willing to make accommodations and workarounds on streaming that you weren't willing to do on DirecTV.

    I'll agree with you that the HS17 sucks. Now THATS a valid point :D.

    I'm paying 50% off sticker and Athlon just reported that he called up loyalty and easily got 50% off as well. So not sure what your issue was with that. I haven't paid sticker in at least the past 10+ yrs.
     
  4. Aug 13, 2019 #84 of 263
    grover517

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    Hey James,

    I for one am not trying to convert anyone to streaming over more traditional services like D*. I am simply comparing other provider options" to D*. With the means to deliver programming becoming more and more blurred as traditional cable and sat providers like D* also move to IP/streaming based solutions, how can we not also blur the lines as well.
     
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    Looks like the blue kool-aid has fermented again.
     
  6. Aug 13, 2019 #86 of 263
    SledgeHammer

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    If DirecTVs IP based solution behaves more like traditional then I'd consider it. DirecTV Now has been a complete flop, so T fell on their faces with that one.

    Also have to consider that a lot of folks have data caps. Cox has a 1TB cap unless you want to pay an extra $50/mo for example. We'll see if they "come around" as more people go streaming.

    To quote a completely different Mark, "reports of traditionals death have been greatly exaggerated (as of today)".

    There are 187M cable subscribers in the US alone which dwarfs what Netflix has world wide. I wouldn't consider Netflix a competitor to traditional. The services we're talking about in this thread are closer.

    But matter of fact, the teaser prices the streaming services are offering today to eat into market share aren't really sustainable.

    Disney isn't going to be around much longer if they keep Disney+ at $6/mo.

    Other thing that will harm streaming long term is the fragmentation. While you do have aggregator devices like a Roku, as the market gets more fragmented, obviously the brands are going to slap their coats of paint on their UIs.

    Disney's will be all pink and have sprinkles and rainbows while EPSN will have 300lb linebackers with dreadlocks and face tattoos and CBS will slap their current highest rated show as the face, etc.

    Lot of people will prefer a unified interface vs. learning 20 different interfaces and paying 20 different bills.

    Data caps also need to go away.
     
  7. Aug 13, 2019 #87 of 263
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    I am glad those that switched to streaming come back here and voice their opinions. You can't have too much info. I'm considering moving to streaming once my contract is up but I still have a year left so there is no rush. I'll see what becomes of the streaming AT&T TV in the meantime.

    I am one of "those people" with 7 TV's and the Premium package. My bill runs $250 per month not including NFL ST or MLBEI. Right now I have a $50 per month discount that rolls off 8/22 which takes that down to $200 per month. I called yesterday about discounts. The lady was very nice but told me they cannot give a discount to me while my account still has the $50 discount. I have to call back on 8/23. She also said they have no deals for Sunday Ticket at this time. I know both are lies because there have been plenty of people posting in these forums that they got their discount extended before their old one expired and people have been getting some deals on Sunday Ticket. She did offer to give me a discount if I got AT&T internet bundled with my D* account. If I look up my address on the AT&T website it tells me AT&T internet is not even available where I live but she assured me it was so I asked what the speed is for their service here. 10/1 mbps for around $40 per month. LOL I currently have 200/10 mbps with Spectrum for $65.99 per month so no thanks on that offer.

    Now about those 7 TV's. Do we watch 7 TV's at once. Never. At the max 3 at the same time. But what I do need is the 13 tuners to record everything the whole household wants to watch at a later time. With the streaming DVR on YTTV you have 3 concurrent connections but recording shows does not take up any streams. Yeah I know about the CBS DVR issue but that isn't a big issue as I have the commercial free CBS All Access anyway and I watch CBS shows with that right now anyway instead of the D* DVR as I don't have to FF through any commercials because they aren't there to have to FF through. LOL

    We switched to the Premium package a couple of years ago because i wanted to add HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, Starz, and Encore channels and the cheapest way to switch was to move to the Premium package. I'm pretty much caught up on everything I wanted to see from those premiums so I may cut my package back to something cheaper soon once I figure out what the must have channels are for everyone. But in a year when my contract is out I will definitely explore other options. So to those who switched thanks for the info you provide.
     
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  8. Aug 13, 2019 #88 of 263
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    Personally, I like hearing the various options and comparisons made to each other Directv (and/or Dish). There are definitely some here who are almost zealots in their disdain for IP based delivery.

    I'm guessing those that are, don't have teens....because whether they like it or not, those teens are not watching linear TV.....and linear TV is dying a slow death.
     
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    Accept he also explained how he could have changed his system to get the pricing very close and chose to just say it’s more expensive. He was overpaying by choice of not reconfiguring his system.

    To me, there is an easy way to remove most receiver fess for anyone anymore. Get rid of all receivers you don’t watch regularly, and replace them with a streaming box. Almost all the channels can be streamed anymore, so why bother paying for a receiver that sits in a guest room or second den if you don’t watch it much. Obviously that’s not going to work for everyone, but for anyone who is going streaming I see no reason that solution won’t work for them.
     
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    James Long

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    With modern satellite subscriptions including streaming one can get the best of both worlds. A dedicated delivery system with multi-room viewing for the primary TVs plus streaming access (authenticated with satellite subscriber credentials) for other devices.
     
  11. Aug 13, 2019 #91 of 263
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    Wait a second. If it’s not practical to downgrade and lose the rsns, then streaming isn’t practical either because they don’t have the rsns either, that I have seen. And I know no one has the lakers channel so as far as I am concerned no one has them. (Haven’t seen the fox ones either though, yet that might change in the next couple years) That’s kind of his point, if you don’t need it then you can downgrade and get similar to going streaming.

    Now if you are going streaming because you prefer the interface that’s different. But unless you are doing Netflix or amazon prime, you lose a lot on the live tv streamers vs DIRECTV from a DVR standpoint, unless you agree to watch by their rules. Now if your viewing habits fit their rules then you are ok, if not, your screwed and again theirs becomes worthless. I don’t watch things within 30 days always.


    I could easily go streaming with prime and Netflix and HBO go only and be happy. But until I can get my rsns and other channels that carry my teams streaming to, and see it for less than DIRECTV, there’s no point.
     
  12. Aug 13, 2019 #92 of 263
    SledgeHammer

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    I am a techie, but people have to realize that the teaser prices are to steal customers, not long term. When I signed up for DirecTV in 2002, I had a pretty similar setup to what I have now. One TV and a similar package. Only thing that's been added since then is HD obviously, I had a DVR then too. The bill has gone from $35/mo (not even kidding here, that's how much it cost back then) to $115/mo now. You really think streaming is going to stay, as people are quoting, "$70/mo"? They have to pay license fees just like DirecTV does. At some point I expect they'll start monetizing the number of streams more, as some are already doing. And of course, they'll crack down on account sharing at some point.

    One point to make about teens... nobody cares what teens want or do because teens don't pay the bills. Mom & dad do.

    Teens didn't watch linear TV 10 - 20 yrs ago either. They were out with their friends, partying, etc.
     
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    Yup. If you like sports, then streaming probably isn't for you today. ESPN+ from what I hear is mostly obscure stuff like Mongolian Midget Lawn Darts and stuff like that. Just going off the forums on that one... I couldn't tell you from personal experience. I just read on here that ESPN+ doesn't even stream the majors, etc.
     
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    He’s not really. RVU is no longer supported going forward. It did suck for a lot of people. With that said I set up my moms tv with RVU ages ago and I don’t get calls complaining about it, so it’s awesome on some tvs. Sadly not many it seems though.
     
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    My wife likes to watch the championship every year. I don't see the point of it.
     
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    YTTV and 3 other OTT providers carry the Fox Sports RSNs in LA. Other cities like NY which has 4 RSNs have only Fubo and the $70 Directv Now package if you want the 2 MSG channels along with SNY and YES. SNY and YES are available on 3 other OTT services in NY. Anyone that wants RSNs just needs to consult one of the many sites which have comprehensive channel lists of each OTT service. One of the better sites is thestreamable.com
     
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    That is not correct, depending on your maket YouTubeTV has your local RSN along with all of the sports channels (ESPN, NBCSports, etc.)
     
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    They don’t have the Lakers or Dodgers. And I don’t think they have the Pac-12 either do they? Means they carry less than half of our RSNs. But for me, again, no Lakers no point. And they have to have tnt and espn now too anymore.
     
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    SledgeHammer

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    If you were going streaming, wouldn't you want an OTA antenna to get all locals instead of doing them through streaming? Then you need an OTA DVR though.
     
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    No offense, but do you even know what is offered in the way of sports on the various streaming platforms? And ESPN+ isn't "mostly obscure sports".

    Honestly, I think everyone gets the point from your hundreds of anti-streaming posts. You'll have DirecTV until the last satellite comes crashing into the atmosphere in a fireball.

     
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