Great article comparing all the streaming options for cord cutters and folks thinking about it

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  1. TV_Guy

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    Pac 12 is on Fubo and Sling. TNT and ESPN are on most OTT services. Anyone going the Sling route needs OTA due to limited OTA offerings on Sling. Dodgers are a Spectrum only deal. The sports part of cord cutting is probably the one that requires the most planning. One possibility for some fans is to rotate OTT services based on the sports season.
     
  2. grover517

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    The discussion about what features, advantages, detriments, and everything different between various services is great but regardless of which you choose or don't choose, there is still going to be dissenters for whatever you or I think is the best way to go. The great thing is that with online providers now available along side the more traditional ones, it makes tailoring your service to your needs easier than ever. There are always going to be compromises no matter what you subscribe to and I don't see that changing.

    So I don't try to convince anyone that streaming is the way to go. As a matter of fact, I try to dissuade quite a few because they just aren't ready and I foresee them being disappointed. Nor have I ever as a 20+ year subscriber of D* recommended them either as the best solution without first understanding what a particular person was looking for in a provider because you should never really pay for more than you really need. The grass isn't always greener on the other side, but at least in this instance and particularly for us, it is!

    As a 40+ year mainframe computer tech with backgrounds in numerous facets of that industry including networking of all kinds, I have been preparing for this transition for a while now. Add to that the fact that we already had Netflix, HBO, Amazon Prime and Vudu as well as a rooftop 3 antenna array that gets everything up to about 60 miles from us for years now (was originally a backup for rain/snow fade) and it was the next logical step to "cut the cord". After a few weeks of research on what would work best, a simple 300.00 investment and a couple hours of my time setting it all up and we were off to the races! I wasn't planning on doing this for a while yet since I wanted things to mature a bit more and consolidations settle down a bit more before we did but AT&T just forced my hand.

    When they eliminated the one single feature of D* we valued the most this past spring (temporary address changes), that is what prompted me to even begin to investigate the notion of leaving so soon. And then the AT&T I have known and dealt with for 40 years (land lines, ATT WorldNet dial up, ATT DSL), yet again couldn't help themselves. They piled on by refusing to replace my malfunctioning LCC, refused to offer us any compensation for the lost channels or any other types of credits and then turned around and raised our rates 20.00 a month. Guess the OTT providers aren't the only ones that need large rate increases to stay afloat!?!? I look at this no differently than if D* were to lose NFL ST, turned off 4k as too expensive or some other reason, or took away the things that meant the most to you and why you continue to stay with D*. There is no right or wrong answer, it is what it is.

    Anyway, I am not saying it won't change yet again, but the changes happening at D* now just don't make it a good fit for us any longer at ANY price and the OTT setup we now have is so far proving to be the porridge that is "just right" FOR US.

    Que the big bad wolves that say we made a mistake! LOL
     
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  3. SledgeHammer

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    I already stated that I don't watch sports and I was going off what I read on the forums and if you do a simple google search, you'll find:

    ESPN+ will not include streaming of ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNews or ESPN Classic, or the sports broadcast on those channels – like live NFL, NBA, MLB and college games

    So while I don't watch sports, I do know that most people watch NFL, NBA, MLB and college games. What else is there? Mongolian Midget Lawn Darts? Community College Field Hockey?

    As I've also stated, I'm not anti streaming or pro DirecTV. I said (repeatedly) that streaming has many limitations and that people are willing to sacrifice things on streaming that for some reason they aren't willing to sacrifice on DirecTV. If they did, their bills would look a lot different.

    I also don't like that streaming requires signing up for a bunch of different providers, using a different interface for each of them and not having the unified experience I have now. Not to mention giving up 5.1 audio. What's the point of even having a home theater if you don't have at least 5.1 audio?

    And according to Slice, the last satellite won't come crashing into the atmosphere any time soon. And I still expect them to merge with Dish at some point, but that's just me.

    Besides, as is "common knowledge", the majority of cord cutters cut over the cost... why would I cut DirecTV over the cost to go streaming? I'd pay more on streaming then I do for DirecTV and it doesn't have the above limitations.
     
  4. James Long

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    ESPN+ Stream Live Sports
    "ESPN+ features a selection of live games from MLB, MLS, Serie A, FA Cup, EFL and NHL. Get in on the action with Live UFC Fight Nights, 30+ Top Rank Boxing cards, Grand Slam tennis from Wimbledon, US Open and Australian Open. Plus access to your favorite college sports like football, basketball, lacrosse, and more."

    Most satellite and cable customers should start with a vMVPD if they are planning on going OTT. Comparing the smaller services with a full service MVPD is not a fair comparison. One could complain that they can't get football on Netflix ... but replacing an MVPD is not the purpose of Netflix. There are other services that do compete. Find one of those.
     
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  5. slice1900

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    They aren't putting the high value stuff on there though, that's reserved for ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU.

    Like the "college football" they mention. They are group of 5 and FCS schools, the only power 5 on ESPN+ will be one football game a year (against a G5/FCS team no doubt) for the Big 12. Not including the two major teams in the Big 12, Texas and Oklahoma. Just the "little 8".

    So if you are a fan of West Virginia and have to see ALL their games, next year you'll need to subscribe to ESPN+ to see one of their 12. The one that the rest of the country won't care about at all.

    No doubt it is a similar story for their other sports. It is basically stuff that used to be relegated to ESPN3, not the stuff everyone wants to see. That's what you get on ESPN+. If you are a sports fan, you will NEED something that carries ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU. That means a subscription to an MVPD, either cable/satellite or a streaming MVPD like Sling or Youtube TV or whatever.

    ESPN is not going to put that high value content on streaming now or in the foreseeable future, because doing so would destroy their revenue.
     
  6. mjwagner

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    I get your point but I don’t use my home theater for stuff that I watch on PSVue anyway, like news and a few shows my wife watches. I use it for shows we stream thru NetFlix, Prime, or movies we may occasionally rent on VUDU or iTunes. Most of the NetFlix and Prime shows are 4k HDR many with ATMOS. I don’t remember the last movie we rented on VUDU that wasn’t 4k HDR with ATMOS, and for $5.99 rather than the $10.99 that D for some reason still charges.
     
  7. SledgeHammer

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    Now THAT is a valid point :D. DirecTV PPV & VOD is a huge rip off. I never touch the stuff. I seriously don't get who is still paying $15/hr for the adult channels?
     
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  8. mjwagner

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    LOL...that one makes me laugh as well!
     
  9. James Long

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    The point is ESPN+ is more than "Mongolian Lawn Darts" ... exaggerating to the point of making derogatory comments about the content does no one any good. (Just like when people make it sound like satellite has rain fade every day of the year. There are days when rain fade happens. There are days when a streamed event is so popular that the servers can't keep up. Speak the truth without exaggeration.)

    Pac-12 Network could also be described as limited content that nobody needs - and usually is by people who don't have that channel set available via their provider.
     
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    Not being a sports fan, I understood about 5 words in that paragraph lol.
     
  12. SledgeHammer

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    Yup. Cox is $50 EXTRA for unlimited. Or I think they have a "every 10GB over plan" too.
     
  13. TheRatPatrol

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    And this is one reason I won’t go totally streaming yet.

    This makes me wonder why the local cable company’s that offer HSI don’t offer a TV streaming app option for those that don't want to pay high rental fees on equipment. I think Spectrum has an option that lets your stream channels with an app to Apple TV’s and Roku. I would think a streaming option would at least get them some extra revenue.
     
  14. mjwagner

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    Data usage is definitely a consideration if your ISP has data limits (some do, some don't). While mine does not, over the past several years that we have been 100% streaming I have checked our usage occasionally. My router provides daily, weekly, monthly usage stats. As a point of reverence, over the past two + years that we have been 100% streaming we only went over 500gb in any one month twice. We have never gone over 700gb in any one month. Is our usage "average"...heck if I know so YMMV.
     
  15. raott

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    Exactly. Not to mention UFC and MLS. Yet there is a poster, who is not a sports fan, who doesn't have ESPN+, throwing opinions out there on exactly that subject, in order to support the anti-streaming vitriol.

    We get it, streaming isn't for him/her. It's a great choice for others.

     
  16. grover517

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    Another article stating reasons for not going OTT that is easily avoided if due diligence was done BEFORE they cut the cord. It's similar to those that post questions on other forums or social media where they think that by simply paying for a "stick" somehow now gets them all this "free tv" such as ESPN, Comedy Central, etc. Unfortunately, there are still way to many people out there that think that way or tend to side in that just because something is cheaper, that is the best way to go.

    We have Comcast internet with the 1 GB cap. If you go over, you can either let it default to an extra 10.00 for every 50 GB you go over your cap or just opt into the 50.00 a month for no caps and you can add and remove that charge each month if you want. You also get two free "courtesy months" a year where you can go over with no extra charge which also helps a bit if you regularly come close but don't always go over. Data caps or extra fees were something I investigated extensively as well as knowing that a good part of our viewing still is from OTA sources that uses no data at all so caps are a non issue for us. Our highest month so far was about 700 GB and that was with the wife and I binge watching a lot more than we ever have before since there wasn't much on OTA TV during the summer.

    We waded in gradually by first having both D* and our OTT/OTA setup in place for 30 days side by side just so the wife could feel comfortable in jumping back to D* if she ever felt like it. I was surprised that it only happened once in that first month when the remote was malfunctioning after I went to bed and she didn't want to wake me up. The issue was quickly resolved the next morning. Then we suspended D* for another month just to simulate a 100 percent OTT/OTA setup and find out how many times we had the itch to go back as well as try to gauge average data usage which neither became an issue. Then and only then did we finally cancel our D* service. Again, doing things the right way instead of just jumping off the cliff THEN asking for a parachute on the way down is not the way to make this kind of switch. It should involve a lot of up front planning and coordination for those that are used to the traditional services like D*, Comcast, etc. and understand that the grass isn't always greener, especially if you don't plan things up front.
     
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  17. lparsons21

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    I did my due diligence with streaming services. Tried practically all of them and was always disappointed. The problems were not earth shattering, but just irritating enough for me to remain on cable. Because of bundling, even in the 3rd year of a ‘deal’, my TV with nearly every channel they have, including the 4 Premiums is costing me $85 more than just the internet alone.
    While I could save some money going to streaming and doing the provider dance between services to allow me to binge watch things, it would be at best about $20/month less. Personally, $20 as a convenience fee is well worth it to me. And those cost savings don’t include Netflix, Hulu and Amazon Prime which I already subscribe to.


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    One of the things I am interested in seeing is how the new HBO Max streaming service factors in to this discussion. What I mean by that is HBO, at least for me, is an add-on to my DirecTV service. Depending on the cost and what is available, I may drop HBO on DirecTV and go with the streamer. Maybe they will give you a break on the cost if you are a subscriber already but I am certainly considering dropping HBO on DirecTV and going with the streaming version depending on the specifics. Like many who have posted, I am not looking at streaming to replace DirecTV, but rather enhance it.
     
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    I was a DTV customer and more recently Spectrum cable subscriber. A couple of months ago i cut the cable cord (i still have Spectrum Internet). I was paying $180+change per month ($92+$60/Internet+$30 in fees). I had the Silver package. But they eliminated many channels but increased the monthly rate.
    I said enough and returned my cable box. I'm now a 100% streamer.

    I now have YTTV+Starz/Encore for $58.99. Plus i installed Pluto, Crackle, IMDb, Tubi, and Vudo free of charge. I get a ton of movies and TV shows. My YTTV is 1080/60, which looks great on my 4K TV. My home theater setup is TV, PC, A/V receiver, 5.1 speakers, Modem, Router, and my Sammy Phone. I also watch some 4K shows on other streamed services at no charge. With a click of a button i can switch over to the Internet for e-mail etc.

    I will never go back to Sat/Cable, too may fees, fees, fees. In fact, i may consider droping Starz which will make YTTV cost just $50 because i get most of the movies/TV shows on other services which again, are free.
     
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  20. grover517

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    That's great! That's my whole point in a nutshell. Everyone needs to find what works best for their individual situations.

    For us, we also had other services along with D* such as Amazon Prime, Netflix, Vudu and HBO Go thru our internet service which only complimented our existing OTT/OTA setup and made it even easier to not only justify leaving but made the process less disruptive as well.

    We prefer to watch linear TV vs. binging (we are old farts), and what we put together in an OTA/OTT solution still allows us to do that within one unified UI just like D* offers. 2 week channel guide includes all our OTT "live" services as well as over 40 OTA stations. We record OTA on our Recast via the FireTV UI and/or channel guide just like we did with D* and use the cloud DVR's for everything else. Since we were already were used to "jumping" around between D* and the aforementioned services apps anyway, adding a cloud DVR to the mix was an easy adjustment to make as well.

    I'll stop here but suffice it to say, everyone needs to find what works best for them at the price they feel the service is worth. In our case, D* couldn't offer us what we needed to stay and we found an alternative that works just as well for us.

    I am glad you found what works best for you.
     
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