Great article comparing all the streaming options for cord cutters and folks thinking about it

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  1. mjwagner

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    IMO their are definitely some things that are more easily done with voice...search, some text inputs, several others. But honestly, other things I can do with one or two pushes of a button...volume up/down, FF/REW, switch from my FireTV Stick 4k that I’m currently watching to my Shield...I’ll do that with one click of a button before you can say “Alexa blah, blah, blah...” LOL.
     
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    I bought and use my ATV 4k for two things, PSVue multiview (split the screen into 4 panes to watch 4 different channels...great for sports) and NetFlix ATMOS support. For everything else I use my FireTV Stick 4k’s or my Shields.
     
  3. slice1900

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    Your mistake is watching ANYTHING live. When I watch the evening news for example I change the channel in advance, and start watching about 15 minutes after it starts. That way I can jump through commercials. I don't bother recording it, if I miss it I miss it no big deal it isn't like the old days when the evening news was your only source until the morning paper the next day.

    When I watch sports I record the stuff I really want to watch, and watch in 15 minute bursts. I not only skip commercials, I FF between plays, during timeouts and reviews, etc. When I catch up to 'live' then I watch something else for a bit - usually movies, if you watch other sports at the same time and get ahead of what you're watching then you risk "spoilers" :) If I'm watching games I'm less invested in then I sometimes am watching games on all four live tuners - that's quite easy to do with football if you are skipping commercials, timeouts, and FFing between plays. Not sure how easy this would be to do with Genie, but it is easy on my Tivo.
     
  4. Rich

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    I know. Doesn't fit in the way I want to watch the NFL. MLB has a similar option and I've tried it and don't use it. I'd rather watch baseball/football games in the way I'm used to. Just my opinions. Just the way I want to do it. Not proselytizing.

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    Not only a clock, it also tells you how much time is left on a program and when it will be over. Don't use Fire TV devices very much but I wouldn't be surprised if they have something similar.

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    I do use the remotes in the normal manner most of the time. But, suppose you had a handicap that kept you from using a remote in the normal manner. When I saw what Cube could do, handicapped folks were my first thought, not "blah, blah, blah".

    Not a big fan of the Fire TV devices but I can tell you this: I can walk into any room I have a TV set and a Cube in and just say, "Alexa, turn on the TV.", and the TV and ATV and AVR come on and I'm all set. Can you do that with Shield? Or do you have to find the remote first?

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  7. mjwagner

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    Agreed, folks with handicaps are a completely different use case. Certainly in that case voice command technology is a great solution.
     
  8. Athlon646464

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    I can do that with my Harmony Hub based remote (Elite). If I ask what's her name to turn on the TV, she turns on my TV, C61K and AVR, setting it's input to the port I have the C61K connected to. If I ask her to turn on my ATV, she will set the input on my AVR to the ATV. (I switch devices using my AVR - I don't have them connected to different ports on the TV.)

    When using DIRECTV, Alexa will change channels for as us well using the DIRECTV skill. The Harmony skill does everything else.

    I haven't tried talking to my ATV yet, though. Things you have said make we want to try that, for sure. I'll be putting that little remote on my coffee table today...
     
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  9. SledgeHammer

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    I use the rectangular remote and not the peanut one. I also have HDMI control with all my devices. It's one button on the remote to turn on the TV, DVR and AVR and one button to turn them off. I'm pretty sure I can do that a lot faster then going through Alexa :D. It takes you 1 - 3 seconds to say it, maybe another second or two for Alexa to process it and another second or two for her to turn on the TV? So all in all, from the second you start talking to watching, it's about 5+ seconds? Takes me less then a second to press a single button on the remote. I don't even need to look at it, just pick it up and tactile memory the button.

    My sisters husband orders pizza through Alexa. I watched him do it a few times. Seems like it would be easier to hop on line or use the pizza app.

    A use case for speech might be while you're drive and you need voice to call somebody.

    Voice seems very inefficient for anything on the TV for the various times I've tried it. Remember, when you're typing, you rarely need to type the whole thing as it'll auto complete and you maybe need to type 5 characters or less to get to what you want.
     
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    @SledgeHammer - We have an Echo in both our kitchen and family room. As we walk into the family room from the kitchen, very often we'll tell her to turn on the TV and tune to a specific channel. It all happens before we sit down. We may never even touch the remote while watching TV.

    When I tell her to turn off the TV, she does so of course, but then also checks to see if it's after sunset and lights our way back though the kitchen and upstairs to the bedroom, turning off the lights behind us as we go.

    That may sound like overkill, but it's handy if we are carting stuff in our hands while leaving the family room (we eat in there sometimes while a game is on).
     
  11. Rich

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    Actually, for voice commands, you can't beat an Echo Cube. Of course that means you have to enter the Amazon environment to get all the goodies from the Cube. The PQ in that environment is a touch below what you get with an ATV. That's my main reason for sticking with the ATVs. In short, the voice commands are very limited on the ATVs and on the Cubes you can do a whole lot of stuff using just your voice. I'm not exaggerating when I talk about the Cubes. That's why I think a streamer that could do all the things an ATV can do combined with what the Cubes can do would be a superb device. A honey of a hybrid...I hope someone at Apple realizes this.

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    So glad to see I'm not alone. Gets lonely out here at times. I'd stick you on my new "intelligent" list for this post...but I had you on it already.

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    I'm figuring out the voice commands on the ATV box pretty quickly. Switching apps, powering down...it's not hard. That’s in comparison to remotes, personal butlers to turn off your set for you, etc. My larger challenge, regarding the Apple TV 4K box, is re-calibrating my television (TV model is in my signature) to handle the different frame rates.

    With my satellite provider, one HDMI port set for my satellite box (set for 60p frames, and 1080i/720p programs), and the other HDMI port set strictly for for my Blu-Ray player (24p frames, 1080p movies). The box appears to be trying to upgrade everything to 1080p (ex., FOX broadcasts in 720p, and I think ESPN does, also). I've started to inquire on a couple of other boards that focus more on A/V gear and calibration to get some more in-depth answers.

    In the grand scheme of things, I'm nitpicking. But I'd like to find a happy medium that works to cover everything.
     
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    You've made my weekend! Been trying for that list for a long time!
     
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    BTW, the clock on the Progress Bar is the same on every channel the ATVs have, not just NF. It's a feature of the ATVs.

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    Just looked at your sig. You'd get a lot more out of that ATV 4K box if you upgraded your plasma to a 4K TV set. It's a big step up and it's not really all that expensive. All those frame problems would go away.

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    Just checked. My ATV 4K has no clock on the progress bar. It shows how much of the show has been watched and how much is left to watch but there is no clock.
     
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    If you tap it a second time the clock will display.
     
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  19. b4pjoe

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    Nope. Doesn't work. There is no clock there. TVos 12.4.

    Whoops....there it is with the 2nd tap. Wasn't paying close enough attention at first.
     
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  20. SledgeHammer

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    I think that should tell you something Rich :D. Most people would find it easier to press a single button on the remote then mess around with voice. You're also discounting all the people that have accents where it doesn't work too well or those that don't even speak English. I didn't even have to program the remote. All HDMI control. I did have to program it to control my AVR volume, but that's it. On a day to day basis, I only need the DirecTV remote.

    Lights that track you around and automated lighting scenes? Come on now. That's just a party trick. I was just talking with somebody about smart appliances yesterday. Washers, dryers, fridge, etc. All party tricks that aren't really useful long term. The smart washer & dryer, all they do is let you monitor the cycles from your phone. Neat? I guess... am I really going to do that very often? Probably not. The smart fridge at least has some more practical features. That I would rate as less of a party trick, but is it useful to the point of spending an extra $2K or more EXTRA on the fridge? Probably not.

    Where I *do* spend my money on gadgets and tech is where I see a better ROI. Instead of slow, overpriced SATA SSDs I invest in NVME m.2 SSDs that are 7x faster because I'll use that every day. Same thing with an OLED TV and a higher end AVR that has key features like higher quality room eq, more power, etc. and a WiFi6 router, etc. More practical.

    We get you like streaming... but its definitely not playing out like you are implying where in a couple of years all the traditional services will be out of business. As a matter of fact, if you paid attention last month, Netflix is starting to lose customers too. Raising prices when all your popular content is going away? Probably not a smart idea. They are also ending most of their popular in house shows. The majority of the movies coming to Netflix are pretty bad. Did you watch Point Blank? You think that was good? Or The Teacher? Did you think that was good? I sure hope so, because that's going to be the typical Netflix content going forward. There is a reason that Netflix stock has dropped about -$90/share since then. You may also have noticed that the two most popular shows on Netflix are Friends and The Office. Both not Netflix shows and both going away soon. The WSJ reported that 70% of watched hours on Netflix is licensed content. All of which is going way soon.

    I've also noticed a recent trend where cord cutters are starting to complain about having to pay for "yet another streaming service" to get all their content. That's going to become a much bigger issue over the next year as a lot of content owners are rolling out their own standalone services and yet more content will be going away from Netflix and you'll need to pay for "yet another streaming service".

    Speaking of streaming services... I have a 2016 LG OLED... so far 2 streaming providers have recently dropped support for it. I read they also dropped support for older streaming devices. On a 3 yr old TV... lol...
     
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