Griffin Communications

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  1. inkahauts

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    What can you possibly base that on? Mine is based on the statements of Charlie and his arrogance with saying turner was a non event and others of that nature. Turner even said they would extend the channels but dish wanted others extended as well that wherent even up yet. That wreaks of Charlie's arrogance.

    And it's completely disingenuous to yank stations when you don't need to if the channel is ok with them staying on under existing terms while negotiations continue. And it's ignorant to ignore that Charlie never once denied that comment from turner and everything he did say fits with what I said. Charlie is using his customers as a first resort rather than last since it also saves him millions in the process. Other providers use their customers as a last resort.

    But then Charlie does need the money after the fact he has been found in violation over 40 million instances for spam phone calls that could be fined at a rate of $16,000 for every instance.

    Charlie isn't nearly as clean as you seem to appear to think he is.

    Oh and instead of being rude next time give a reason for you disagreeing with me rather than just saying you are wrong. Have some respect or don't post at all.
     
  2. Grandude

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    Charlie isn't nearly as clean as you seem to appear to think he is.

    Oh and instead of being rude next time give a reason for you disagreeing with me rather than just saying you are wrong. Have some respect or don't post at all.




    Sorry if you thought I was rude. Were you present at all the meetings between Charlie or his team and the people from FOX?
    I wasn't there so have absolutely no idea of what went on. I was quite disappointed when we lost FoxNews for a while but didn't ever go on a rant about how bad Charlie is.
     
  3. James Long

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    I'll leave it up to the readers to decide (quietly - I'm not asking for public comments) where the respect lies and how much you actually know about Mr Ergen. I am certainly not on a first name basis with him and usually discount rants posted by people who can't show him respect.
     
  4. bluegras

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    griffin stations are back they have reached a agreement and your stations should be up right now
     
  5. inkahauts

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    The rude part was the personal attack on me, not disagreeing with me...

    Its sad people think what I said was an outright rant. That wasn't a rant. It was what I see based on his actions and his statements from his company that have been coming along for years now. It was my assessment based on a long history of the way he does business and how he words his statements to the public and shareholders. I do not need to know or ever talk to him personally to make the points I did as the points I made are based on his companies actual actions and statements he has made. If it had been a rant, I would have simply called him an idiot because he took away stations when it appears he didn't need to. I did not do that at all and was not my point anyway. (and arrogance is very different from being an idiot. Look how DIrectv handeled TWC vs how Dish has handeled the Turner channels. Its night and day different in approaches and what they have said publicly about the situations.) Also, If you disagree that's fine, but do not try and devalue my opinion by saying I don't know him or wasn't there for his meetings as though that is a prerequisite for being able to make an assessment when in fact we have years of facts of things that have happened and he has said to base assessments on.
     
  6. James Long

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    I have no reason to treat your opinion of Mr Ergen as anything more than just more noise on the Internet.

    I don't know who you are or your education or background or biases. What I do know is that you referred to Mr Ergen in an overly familiar manner which has commonly been used by people who attack him - not in a professional manner. As stated before, when I see "Charlie" this and "Charlie" that it adds a discount to the opinion presented. It is hard to take the opinion seriously when the person presenting the opinion isn't serious in their presentation.

    If you post in manner that echoes the noise on the Internet your posts will sound like the noise on the Internet. If you want to be taken seriously rise above the noise.
     
  7. Grandude

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    Hmm, I did not make a personal attack on you. My statement was clearly thought out so as not to be a personal attack.
    I'm sorry if you did not understand what I said. If I need to explain further, please let me know.
     
  8. inkahauts

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    In context with saying my opinions are silly? Anywho it's all good. Moving along.

    I just don't by for an instant that dish is pushing back more than DIRECTV or vice versa. (Time Warner Cable charter and others too.) Everything that's happened in the last five years says they both are playing hard ball but looking at the overall picture dish seems to make the push back much more public at the expense of customers a lot more often than others. And a side affect of that is saving some money. I don't by that's a coincidence based on other things dish does. Like all its law suits. Heck commercial skip is looking more and more like it was a bargaining feature than anything else.
     
  9. inkahauts

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    Change the name Charlie for dish then. It's not a personal thing. I've never said he wasn't smart. Or that I don't like him. It's his companies tactics in certain situations I don't care for. And that's based on public info. Then reread what I said. It's all the same. Maybe it's his underlings more than him. Doesn't matter it's dish that I'm really discussing. And dish is one company that does seem truly driven by its main owner who is Charlie. He created that by making sure he's the face of his company. So generally speaking his name and dish is interchangeable when discussing dishes tactics. There's plenty of companies like that.
     
  10. James Long

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    If you post in manner that echoes the noise on the Internet your posts will sound like the noise on the Internet. If you want to be taken seriously rise above the noise.


    It is good to see the issue with Griffin Communications resolved and the channels back on the air.
     
  11. dpeters11

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    Honestly, I think a lot of people that refer to him as Charlie is probably doing it based on things like the old Charlie Chat.
     
  12. inkahauts

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    You could debate what I'm actually saying instead of saying what I am saying is "noise" and not actually contributing to the discussion at all. but you seem to refuse to. Maybe it's because you want to support dish no matter what but can't come up with anything real to debate what I said?

    It almost seems you call it noise because I said Charlie instead of dish even after I said those terms are interchangeable at this point in my posts. Always have been. Kind of like how some people want to argue if directv should be written as DirecTV or DIRECTV. Complaining about something that has nothing to do with the discussion in the first place.

    Anyway I'm done with this thread since the "noise" seems to only get louder each time you post now even though this entire subject is a rather important one to anyone who subscribes to tv and how both sides are pushing back and forth with negotiations and using subscribers as pawns.

    And it is great to see the channels back. But anyone that's been watching all this stuff for a few years now has to wonder if they ever really needed to be off in the first place. In this case probably so. But not all cases are equal.
     
  13. James Long

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    You have no source for what you posted other than your personal opinion. I suppose we're supposed to take your word for it that all the comments you made were true? In any case, I have already explained what you need to do to be taken seriously. Another several paragraph speech on the matter is pointless. How many times have you said you are done and yet you come back? That just lowers your credibility more.

    I suppose if you are lying and are not really done you'll make some sourceless claim about supporting material being all over the Internet and easy to find. Or post another several paragraphs of fluffy commentary. In any case, your opinion on the issue was presented - whether you admit it or not - as personal comments directed at one man. If you meant DISH you should have written DISH, but you made the choice to go after the man instead of the company - and in my opinion, that was a bad tactic.
     
  14. inkahauts

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    Wow. Just wow.
     
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