i think this is my point. just look at the adjective difference in D* and E. Now, i know i didnt check every day. However, when D* added all those channels i was spectacularly unimpressed with thier creative math. In terms of hd channels, with actual HD content, E* still beat them in terms of the channels i would get. Its really the only think i hold against either satilite proveder. I just felt it was deceptive. Now E* is legitamately in the lead again after being tied for a good while, and they're getting called out on the same creative math D* started. i dont want to come off as a fanboy, i just wonder at it.