Having Two Genie's?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by reubenray, Jul 14, 2015.

  1. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

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    MoCA 2.0 keeps the same 16 node limit, but 16 is plenty - even outliers like Rich don't run up on that! Personally I think SWM goes away in a couple years, they'll have demodulators in the LNB (and a standalone switch for bigger installs) that outputs DECA/MoCA. Directv offers standard clients, along with either a box with a hard drive inside and a coax input and no video output for recording, or a "super client" that takes an external hard drive.
     
  2. Smuuth

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    3 Genies = $13/month vs 1 Genie+5 HR2x = $32.50/month.
     
  3. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

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    With three Genies it starts to make a bigger difference but the guy I was replying to said he wished he could have two.

    Even with three, how many people are there with only three TVs who actually need 15 tuners? Talk about a tiny market segment! Directv has no incentive to make things cheaper for them, because getting 15 recordable tuners on Dish or cable would probably cost them more.
     
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  4. Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

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    While on the one hand your question makes sense, step back and generalize. Once the solve the problem for 2 they shouldn't have to rewrite or redesign to support 3 or 4... :)

    Peace,
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  5. reubenray

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    I have a HR34 and a HR24. I only have two TV's. I also do not have the space for another DVR.
     
  6. NR4P

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    If you read Directv financial statements, look for Subscriber Acquisition Cost (SAC).
    The cost of an installation (install labor + hardware) is included in SAC.

    One Genie and 3 mini's is far less expensive than one Genie plus HR's or H's.
    And in particular 2 Genies would hurt SAC.

    Lower SAC improves the bottom line. Makes Wall St. happy
     
  7. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    You seem to be confusing fundamental replacement of most everything (a rewrite) with ongoing attempts at squashing bugs.
     
  8. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    Since DIRECTV started pushing Genies aggressively, the SAC has jumped up noticeably so the first one has significant cost. I don't imagine additional units will have a big impact unless the SWM13 LNB won't cover everything. The SAC metric doesn't have to suffer if they don't offer "free" additional DVRs.

    I don't think the Genie costs as much as you might imagine. As evidence of this, you can buy a DISH Hopper outright at a respected online retailer for $229.99. DIRECTV's lease entry fee is $199. The fee for failure to return either an HR2x or a Genie is $135. DIRECTV is recovering their receiver hardware investment up front whether they present it that way or not.

    I submit that DIRECTV needs to get over charging the same monthly fee for RVU TVs and Genie Minis as they do for Genies to allow multiple Genies to be an economically feasible option (affording them similar cost recovery intervals). Multi-Genie installations are surely more costly to support but the installation isn't much different from any other STB.
     
  9. inkahauts

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    Why on earth you think they would need to stop charging per TV for service is bizzare and has nothing to do with supporting multiple genies. And that's a major profit line for them and all providers so that's not happening. It can easily have the exact same pricing structure as today and multiple DVRs. The only difference is how much it costs up front and I'd bet the genie today costs less to build than the HR20 did when it came out. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if they cost less now than the HR24 did when it launched.

    All they have to do is hard line no discounts for a second genie and they'd make even more money.
     
  10. inkahauts

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    He's not. You might be though in terms of what they do on a regular basis.
     
  11. Drucifer

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    For better network control. So it can track the dumb teminals (aka minis) connected to it after power outages. And maybe even control of all recordings arcoss a DirecTV home network.

    Of course the crew here will now come out and say the current Genie CPU is incapable of doing those.

    Which brings us back to that there can only be one Genie with a max of three minis in use in one household. Which as I stated in this forum makes a Genie only household in this era of a TV in every room a rather restrictive setup.
     
  12. Drucifer

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    From scratch. What DirecTV has now is bloat SW that must keep droping features in order to keep it running.

    I still miss control of the PIG.
     
  13. inkahauts

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    You really think they don't already have a mechanism to track and control what minis are used and they just haven't activated it yet? ;)

    I really think people are focusing on the wrong things as to why we don't have it yet. I'd put money on it they could have it allowed within a couple weeks if they wanted too. And no rewrite from scratch would be needed.
     
  14. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    If you were responding to my post, I'm advocating that they get realistic about the TV fee and base the amount on the complexity of the STB (if any).

    I'm in no way advocating that they do away with STB fees; those with lots of served TVs should be paying for the privilege and not be subsidized by everyone else.
     
  15. harsh

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    Have you seen evidence of a rewrite of any of the code (ignoring the THR22) for any DIRECTV branded receiver/DVR? The GUI is the closest thing I can think of and it probably didn't touch more than half of the code.
     
  16. inkahauts

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    They are more realistic than almost every other provider and you know this. One fee per outlet and one fee per account (yeah yeah old customers have the fees per account set different but same exact concept) if you have any advanced equipment. Otherwise you'd end up paying more if you had two DVRs instead of a DVR and a client. They keep their costs lower by doing this. Others charge far more.
     
  17. inkahauts

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    Yes I have. Lots.
     
  18. slice1900

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    I'd be curious to hear exactly what major functionality you think the firmware is providing other than the GUI. Either you probably think a lot of stuff that's done in hardware is being done by the software, or you think Directv ought to be rewriting the Linux kernel and drivers...
     
  19. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    Uh, he's not confused, not in the least.

    Try employing a bit of thought before you form and toss out more insults. That would make you a tosser.
     
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  20. harsh

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    Maintaining the guide and the scheduler are critical elements that have little, if anything, to do with the GUI.

    I've long maintained that the database engine could use a major overhaul to make it faster and more flexible.
     

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