HBO and Cinemax Removed

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by James Long, Nov 1, 2018.

  1. mwdxer

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    I'm a partial cord-cutter and this is one complaint I hear about satellite and cable. If a person can cut the cord, they can then subscribe to the channels they want and deal directly with the programmer.
     
  2. GoLongAndChopChop881

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    Speaking of Rural America, what's the smallest DMA market?
     
  3. Al Hobby

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    I think this is a desperate attempt by AT&T to stop customers from leaving DirecTV for Dish. I was planning on doing that in the next couple of weeks. DirecTV is having serious issues with their DVRs after a so called software update that was rolled out mid-summer. A lot of folks including myself hate the new DVR interface even on the rare occasions when it does work right. DirecTV is now telling people that the fix will start rolling out in late December and should be complete a couple of months after that. A lot of folks are tired of waiting.

    I live in an area without high speed internet so the steaming HBO is not an option.
     
  4. Mark Holtz

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    Per this report: Glendive, Montana which has 4,030 television homes, or about 0.004% of all television households.

    I ran an analysis of the Neilson markets about a year or so ago and still have the spreadsheet. This is what I saw:
    • The top two markets, New York City and Los Angeles, cover 11.18% of television homes.
    • The top five markets, (New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, Dallas/Fort Worth) cover 19.133% of the television homes.
    • The top eight markets covers 25.599% of the television homes.
    • The top ten markets covers 29.816% of the television homes.
    • The top sixteen markets covers 39.318% of the television homes.
    • The magic "top twenty markets" cover 44.575% of the television homes.
    • The top 25 markets cover 49.687% of the television homes.
    • Markets 26-65 cover the next 25%
    • Markets 116 to 210 (Glendive, Montana) cover the bottom 10% of television homes.
    • Markets 145 to 210 cover the bottom 5% of television homes.
    • Markets 186 to 210 cover the bottom 1% of television homes.
     
  5. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    AT&T doesn't want to own DISH and doesn't need to own DISH. They would not mind if DISH (and the rest of their competition) would shrivel up and die. But (in my opinion) they will never buy DISH.
     
  6. James Long

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    I wrote that as an example of a bad deal. The press release revealed that the price was not the issue, paying for subscribers who do not want HBO is the issue.

    I do not know how many people subscribe to HBO/Cinemax via DISH but HBO is certainly making it easier to cut DISH (and the other providers) out of the equation. A "pay for one million subscribers or don't carry our channels" demand is bad but could be acceptable if their are a couple million HBO/Cinemax via DISH subscribers. Such a demand would be unacceptable if there were 800k or 500k HBO/Cinemax via DISH subscribers. (These numbers are for illustration only.)
     
  7. mwdxer

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    But....Is that legal?
     
  8. James Long

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    Probably legal. I don't believe the negotiators would ask for such things without checking with the lawyers. It does make sense to ask for a minimum number of subscribers.
     
  9. David p

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    At this point I believe that HBO is honestly not to be blamed.... as a former Dish Employee of 7 years I can say I have seen this coming big time... however i did not expect HBO will be the one to show them the importance of equal power ... it has come time to let dish know they are not as important as they make them selfs believe to be.... other broadcasters should take a page from HBO playbook as well... personal experiance I support HBO on this ... although they are not blameless either.
     
  10. patmurphey

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    Ridiculous!! It's not HBO, it's AT&T.
     
  11. Slamminc11

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    disgruntled employee is my guess!
     
  12. GoLongAndChopChop881

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    Let's take an example of Cricket Wireless, a prepaid service if for Rural America, sorry Verizon. When it came in 2014, you might say it was the happiest place in the wireless world and it has more of AT&T's 4G LTE coverage than T-Mobile or Sprint, but T-Mobile expanded their 600 Mhz band coverage in rural areas. How about Consumer Celluar, it still uses AT&T and T-Mobile's network, expanding to rural areas.

    Yet we need DISH to watch HBO, but with low viewership in rural areas.
     
  13. satcrazy

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    Great...
    OK, aren't we all use to these rediculous money grabs by now?

    I didn't sign up with Dish years ago for HBO. Personally I think cinemax is a better choice, but that's me.
    That being said, I can live out the rest of my life without HBO. Or Cinemax, for that matter.

    What is really getting old is being held hostage for a price increase.

    AT&T isn't playing nice, and as a former direct sub 9 years ago they [AT&T] are still sending me all kinds of discounts, including a $300.00 visa to come back. [ and I was only with them 2&1/2 years before I left]

    I can honestly say over the years Dish customer service was above and beyond whatever Direct offered. Too bad dish cut the "at the end of your call leave a comment" thing. I think it put the employees on their toes.

    I put a lot of importance in CS.
    However, price, like everyone else, is the main thing.
     
  14. tsmacro

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    Whatever, HBO is now not getting any of my money. When they come to an agreement with Dish they'll get some of my money again. In the mean time I'm not in danger of running out of things to watch.
     
  15. mwdxer

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    I don't directly blame HBO for it. AT&T is the owner and call the shots unfortunately. That is what you get having to deal with mega companies that own everything in sight. Used to be we have many smaller companies.
     
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    Like "Ma Bell" back in the day? Oh wait, it was actually named AT&T back then too! :rolleyes::D
     
  17. BillJ

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    Here's another twist in the story. I had assumed AT&T pulled the plug on HBO on Dish after reading the original stories. Now AT&T says they didn't cutoff the channels and had intended to let Dish customers keep HBO while the issues were negotiated. They say Dish shutdown the channels on their own. Maybe a good start would be for everyone to take a lie detector test.
     
  18. James Long

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    When a contract expires there is usually one of two claims made. One is that the carrier offered to continue to carry the channels without a contract and the channels refused and the other is that the channels offered to be carried without a contract and the carrier refused. The truth is that even "carriage without a contract" requires a contract. The channel's content is covered under copyright laws - DISH must have HBO/Cinemax's permission to rebroadcast the channels. Verbal or a handshake agreement isn't enough to protect the parties from misunderstanding whether or not permission is in place. While it doesn't have to be a full multi-year agreement, a contract extension is still a contract.

    When a temporary extension is offered there must be terms. Are the channels extended under the old contract and the renewal prices take effect when a final contract is signed or will the new contract be retroactive? DISH would not want to make a commitment to pay more during the extension than they are paying now. HBO wants the new terms as soon as possible. "Intending to allow the channels to be carried during negotiations" isn't a written agreement that will protect both parties.
     
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    This is one of the most concise, common sense post that I've seen in a long time. It really put it into perspective for me. Thanks.
     
  20. mwdxer

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