HBO and Cinemax Removed

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  2. mwdxer

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    The way we watch TV and listen to music has changed. Even Dish & Direct know this with their online streaming. How long will it be that having satellite service will not be feasible? The cost of putting up the satellites and maintaining them is very expensive. In another 5-10 years, is there going to be enough revenue to support them both? With the future, if Dish loses more premium movie channels, where does that leave them? Used to be that if Dish lost HBO, we were stuck, unless we wanted to switch providers. Now many of us, can just stream the service with ease. A few key strokes and we have it. As time goes on, more rural areas will be getting some kind of faster internet service too. We can bypass Dish, Direct, or Cable. There are a ton of apps you can sub to getting a cable/satellite service via the Roku or Fire TV now. Spectrum plans to sell their cable pack via streaming in the near future. Over a million have already cut the cord. The hand writing is on the wall.
     
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    I got Dish in 1999 and installed it myself, bought the equipment as I wanted access to LA/NY Nets and the Super Stations. This was before we had locals. I still like Dish and I will stay with them. But living in rural Oregon we do not have access to many diginets, with Dish adding many of them has really been a plus. HBO is not the reason I have Dish. I do have high speed, so I can stream HBO here off the Roku/Fire TV though.
     
  4. david91722

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    Dish has officially dropped HBO/Cinemax from the channel line-up. Are they gone for good?
     
  5. Willh

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    possibly since AT&T won't play nice with Dish, but i expect HBO/Cinemax to play a huge part in a future dispute between Dish & AT&T/Warner Media over the Turner Networks or AT&T Sportsnet.

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    I suspect they are gone for a long time but ultimately this dispute will go through the courts where AT&T will lose. Meanwhile I want my HBO/Cinemax but where can I go? If AT&T can take it away from Dish they can take it away from Comcast and every other provider in the future. And I won't switch to Direct TV.
     
  7. mwdxer

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    Can you stream? I picked up HBO via a stream after the loss on Dish. It works.
     
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    I ended up subscribing via Charter streaming TV for less than I was paying Dish for HBO/Cinemax. I still have Dish for the rest. What most folks don't know is that AT&T offered to keep the channels on at the current rate when they started the negotiation. Dish wants folks to think that they (AT&T) pulled the channels to cause customers to call them and demand it back. Charlie needs to catch up with the times. I've had Dish for nearly 3 years. I am overall happy with it. But not happy with things like BBC News not being offered in my near top tier package. The one that is carried is only in SD, as is alot of channels.

    Dish needs to work harder to keep customers. This isn't helping customers, only hurting them in the long run.
     
  9. James Long

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    Than you for identifying HBO as AT&T ... it is part of the problem, but tell the full story.
    While AT&T apparently was not looking for a price increase what they were looking for was (as stated): "AT&T is demanding DISH pay for a guaranteed number of subscribers, regardless of how many consumers actually want to subscribe to HBO."

    That minimum subscriber level forces DISH to pay for people who do not want the content. HBO is a premium channel package, no customer should be forced to pay for the content.
     
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    [QUOTE="xmguy I've had Dish for nearly 3 years. I am overall happy with it. But not happy with things like BBC News not being offered in my near top tier package. The one that is carried is only in SD, as is alot of channels.

    Dish needs to work harder to keep customers. This isn't helping customers, only hurting them in the long run.[/QUOTE]

    Totally agree. I contacted Dish in regard to BBC World, which I am paying $10 extra a month just to get the channel. No cheaper way to get it, even streaming. I asked them if they could add it to AT250, but they claimed it has something to do with their contract. Which I cannot understand. I would figure why keep it in a news add on under flex? Few people can view the channel. I had to get a card and then add the News Pack for the $10. Every other channel in that pack is in AT250. If it was added to AT 250, then many could watch it. Add to that both Charter (Spectrum) has BBC World as well as Direct in their main packages.
     
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  12. inkahauts

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    Why would you think this will go to the courts? It won’t. Dish may try but then they’d lose...
     
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    Unfortunately AT&T can sell their programming services the way they want to. I doubt Dish will do anything. But AT&T (HBO) did lose quite a few subs from Dish. However, if HBO sells their streaming service for the same amount as they do through Dish, then if a sub gets the service directly from HBO, they get to keep the whole $15. I have no idea how much profit Dish made on HBO, but whatever is was, HBO can sell it directly. It costs less to stream too. No Satellite transponder time to pay for...
     
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    They still had to have all the same,infrastructure, and streaming costs them a ton of money too, no one pays for servers and bandwidth for the Ir stuff for them.

    The entire thing sounds fishy to me. If it was any other provider I’d believe them more, it dish spins thing to such an extreme I often doubt what they proclaim is really the entire truth. (Not that I side with att, but dish is the worst at this imho) And if HBO said keep it up while negotiating then I definitely think dish is in the wrong. Plus, If dish wanted real leverage they should have waited till a week before game of thrones premieres.
     
  15. mwdxer

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    But why would Dish purposely lose a big service like HBO? It is not like Univision. There must be something to the story. But if AT&T said keep it up while we negotiate things, it is odd Dish took it down . But why have such demands, if the sub can just go directly to the website and get it? I was told that Tegna did not remove their channels from Dish, Dish still had them, but could not run them without a contract. I'll bet, it is never the case, the programmer removes the service, but Dish does. But it sounds better to always blame the programmer. But in the case of Tegna, I do believe them as I know people there, at least in Portland.

    I know it costs a lot of money, but I would think satellite transponder fees would be even worse.
     
  16. NYDutch

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    From a purely technical standpoint, of course it's Dish that "removes the service". With no contract in place, they cannot legally supply the service to their subscribers, so the fault lies with whom or what is holding up the contract agreement.
     
  17. James Long

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    Exactly. No contract, no carriage. I don't know why people expect DISH (or DIRECTV) to carry channels when there is no contract.

    DISH and AT&T/HBO could negotiate a short extension ... But it would need to be on terms both would accept. The terms as presented by AT&T are not accepible to DISH.

    (Just like the terms Pac-12 offered to DIRECTV. Accepting a bad deal is not good.)
     
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    Most services will happily continue to carry channels while negotiating under the same old terms. DIRECTV carried HBO for what was it two years without a contract in the past?

    Dish did the same thing with tnt and they saved tons of money for a while since they didn’t just discount every customer how much money they where no longer paying tnt for. To me that was disingenuous to their customers.

    Maybe they are doing it now to save the money for any customers they gave heavy discounts to for HBO, I can’t say obviously. But dish is always more adversarial with programmers than pretty much any other provider. They are the only ones who consistently seem to not take up anyone on keeping channels up on the current contract month to month while negotiating. So yeah there is a difference.

    And offering to keep the same contract in place while negotiating means there would be a contract in place.

    How often does dish use HBO for new customers for free and things of that nature?
     
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    How many of those programmers are still offering month to month extensions since they've found how effective it is to hold the subscribers for ransom? Why don't they accept when Dish offers a "make good" extension?
     
  20. James Long

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    You are assuming AT&T made that offer (extending same terms). I don't believe that for one minute.

    Higher prices are causing subscribers to cut back on programming. Read the DIRECTV forums and you will see that even your beloved provider has customers cutting back. DISH's profit margins are not as high as DIRECTV's were back in the days before AT&T (now DIRECTV's profits are buried in a division with other services). Nearly every paid channel wants more money ... especially those channels losing subscribers. HBO's compromise is to keep the rate they are charging DISH the same but the catch is that HBO wants a minimum number of subscribers. Meanwhile HBO is undercutting the distribution deal by selling service directly to DISH customers via streaming. HBO has changed from being a partner with DISH to being a competitor to DISH. Asking DISH to pay HBO for the subscribers they are luring away is adding insult to injury.

    Extensions are typically short and rare. DIRECTV did NOT carry HBO without a contract. Perhaps the contract was short term such as month to month but there MUST be an agreement in place for carriage to occur.
     

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