HBO Max finally revealed (AT&T video subscribers with HBO subscription gets it for free)

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  1. Jun 9, 2020 #221 of 244
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I'd love to see an app on the DISH Hopper where one can pay AT&T directly for HBO. (Similar to Netflx.) DISH promoted subscribing directly to HBO last year when Game of Thrones started its last season. At this point I believe that is the only way HBO would be getting back on the DISH platform.

    I can understand the desire to punish DISH for not giving in to the minimum number of subscriber demands, but at this point HBO would be better off getting subscribers wherever it can.
     
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    If that truly is the thinking of AT&T, I think they are missing the mark.
    HBO Max should be a companion service for current HBO subscribers or an option for current cord cutters.
    Hoping most people will switch over to HBO Max after cutting the cord (those who had HBO in the first place) is a very risky bet, especially with all the other streaming options available now.
     
  3. JoeTheDragon

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    and dish may want an finders fee for that
     
  4. techguy88

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    WarnerMedia Says Goodbye to HBO Go Amid Streaming Rebrand

    HBO Go will be discontinued as of July 31, 2020. If you have an HBO subscription through DirecTV and want to stream HBO content you will have to use HBO Max.

    HBO Now will be re-banded to simply "HBO" over the coming months. So if Roku and Amazon don't strike a deal for HBO Max by then their "HBO Now" apps will have a name change.

    Apparently having HBO Go, HBO Now and HBO Max co-exist all at the same time has caused more confusion than anticipated. Who knew? Did you know? o_O:eek::rolleyes: *sarcasm*
     
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  5. inkahauts

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    Att seems to think the more the better when all they needed was ONE thing to offer. HBO Max. That’s it. There is zero point in having more unless they are actually priced differently.

    I think the only thing keeping now around is amazon and Roku. If they fold and get max then I have a feeling it’ll be just max and the rest will be gone.

    At this point HBO is HBO Max for anyone with DIRECTV or any other provider that’s signed on. It’s clear that’s where this is headed. Hopefully.

    HBO should be what you can get via the cable
    Channels. HBO Max what you can get streaming. Buy cable service and get the streaming too. Done and done. How simple would that be? :)
     
  6. grover517

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    I think it will get down to Max alone once all outstanding carriage agreements for HBO proper have run their course OR new renegotiated agreements are in place for Max to replace those current agreements for HBO proper still out there, whichever comes first. I am guessing that will come about around the same time as the ad supported version of Max rolls out, which obviously will either be free or at a much reduced cost.
     
  7. b4pjoe

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    I watched an old episode of Friends on HBO Max last night and it had a 30 second commercial at the beginning of it.
     
  8. slice1900

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    No way they go Max only, there are too many HBO customers who won't have fast enough broadband or are older and not willing/able to set up and use streaming. HBO delivered as channels will be with us for a long time to come.
     
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  9. James Long

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    I guess I am reading the post differently. I am not seeing that post as saying linear channels used by satellite and simple cable systems will not be available, only that when one gets streaming they get "HBO Max" with their MVPD cable/satellite subscription instead of a lesser bundle. I can see AT&T offering a "no streaming" option to very small cable systems (systems that would likely carry only a couple of the HBO channels such as private systems at apartment complexes). But as time goes on and cable systems renew their contract I can see "HBO with streaming" sold through a MVPD be access to HBO Max. Keep it simple.

    Then again, this is AT&T. Simple isn't their middle name.
     
  10. slice1900

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    If that's what they meant I agree. I think everyone will get linear+streaming in short order. I don't think there's really any reason for HBO to wait for new contracts though, they can give it to them whenever they want. The only reason some may not have it for a while would be if their provider says "no". Which a few might if they are worried about anything that makes it a little easier to cut the cord (i.e. concern that they get used to streaming when they weren't before because of HBO Max, maybe they decide "hey I could get Netflix and Disney in addition to HBO for a lot less than what I'm paying for cable today")
     
  11. James Long

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    Give is usually easy ... charge more is harder. I assume the gift would come with a higher price tag/lower compensation for the MVPD or other changes such as minimum subscriber levels (ie: at least 10 percent of your MVPD subscribers must pay for HBO or you can't carry the content). It defies logic that AT&T/HBO would not be seeking every subscriber they can get and not turning away a million subscribers because it isn't 10% of a system's 11 million subscribers (or whatever the real numbers are). But having their own MVPD and vMVPD services may be emboldening them to make what I would consider a bad decision.
     
  12. techguy88

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    Well their slogan is "More For Your Thing. That's Our Thing." They never said the "thing" had to be simple. o_O
     
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    I have the Choice Xtra Classic and I went to the ATT site today to see if there were any offers for me for HBO. Now they are showing the three free months offer. I will sign up maybe in September. Only problem I have is that my Samsung TV only shows HBO Go on the internet and my Firestick doesn't offer any HBO app. Maybe by the time I sign up ATT will have signed an agreement with Amazon.
     
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    Since Amazon decided to fork the Android Operating System to create FireOS it is very easy to sideload the Android TV version of the HBO Max app on any Fire TV device and it works. See this post.

    I had an old 2nd Gen Fire TV Stick laying around that I don't use (except to experiment with side-loading) because the thing was dreadfully slow.

    I was able to slideload the HBO Max app onto it with ease and it worked. (It was slow but that was due to the 2nd Gen Fire TV Stick that thing was slow when I got it in 2017 and it is slow now.)
     
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    If you are comfy with doing all this.... then that 2nd gen Fire Stick will run better.

    Bootloader unlock for 2nd gen Fire TV stick:

    [UNLOCK][ROOT][TWRP][UNBRICK] Fire TV Stick 2nd gen (tank)

    The bootloader unlock (and rooting) will make it far easier to debloat and modify the Fire Stick so it can run faster.

    Lineage 12.1 for Fire TV stick 2nd gen. Has some issues such as 5.1 audio not working on some apps but if you want a more pure Android TV experience:

    [ROM] [unlocked] [tank] LineageOS 12.1
     
  16. JoeTheDragon

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    Now will they do anything to make the MAX only stuff show up on directv? Even more so with att tv can do max on the same box.
     
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    I gave up on the Fire TV Stick a few months after I got it rofl. However the nerd in me loves to experiment so I will probably do these things to it in my spare time. If I break it on accident it really is no loss (nor will I be eager to replace it.) I have an abundance of streaming devices due to my own preference to test things myself.

    The "Max content" will be exclusive to the HBO Max app and website for all providers no matter of distribution method. This is the main reason Amazon & WarnerMedia is butting heads (and one of Roku's reasons) as they want to integrate the "Max content" into their Prime Video & The Roku Channel apps respectively. Roku's main reason however is the advertising & subscription revenue split with the "Max content" integration coming in second. This is why in media reports Roku is often toted as being "closer" to a deal than Amazon is.

    DirecTV's set top boxes use a proprietary OS and apps built for D* hardware are most likely built from scratch. Most of the new apps that have come out (like the scaled down ESPN app and the bare bones Music Choice app) are only available to hardware running the Modern GUI. AT&T will probably look at those customers with Genies & any type of Genie Minis and see what % of customers have them connected to the Internet and how often they engage with the current Internet based apps. If the % is low AT&T (being cashed strapped as they are) most likely will not invest the R&D (and cash necessary) to make a HBO Max app for D*.

    As far as new features for DirecTV the only new feature I am predicting that will come for D* customers will be Movies Anywhere integration. This feature appears to be in the final stages of implementation as the Modern GUI is starting to show the MA logo and the online guide has a Movies Anywhere filter.

    AT&T TV is able to have the HBO Max app on the same box because the AT&T TV device is running the Android TV Operator Tier which has full access to the Google Play Store. As long as the app developer doesn't block the AT&T TV device, it can run any app in the Google Play Store that is compatible with Android TV OS 8.0 (aka Oreo). HBO Max is compatible with any Android TV device running Android TV 5 (aka Lollipop) or later.
     
  18. lparsons21

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    It should be noted that while ATT TV app should be able to run on almost all AndroidTV devices, it isn’t available for the most part.
     
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    This is true however all Android TV devices including those on the Operator Tier have a built-in Chromecast so any app that supports Chromecast can work on those devices via the built-in Chromecast feature. I tested this out with my Nvidia Shield TV and with my home network it worked very well. Even casting the Hulu and Prime Video apps to the AT&T TV device worked very well.

    Also if you are interested in side-loading you can side-load the Amazon Fire TV version of the AT&T TV app onto any Android TV device and it works very well. I did this with my Nvidia Shield TV as a test and AT&T TV Now worked very well ;). In the interest of fairness (or my general dislike of Amazon I can't tell the difference atm) you can side-load the Android TV version of the HBO Max app on a Fire TV device. (I find side-loading apps onto Fire TV devices to be easier surprisingly.)
     
  20. lparsons21

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    I don’t consider Chromecast or Airplay to be suitable alternatives to an actual app. Both are relatively poor in HDPQ and Audio. Not to mention that using them ties up a tablet or phone and sucks the battery pretty hard.

    Side-loading on the Fire devices is dead simple if a bit tedious. IMO, the side-loaded, non-authorized HBO Max app on my FireTV actually works better than the official ATT TV app on the same device.

    But my future use of a streamer will be Roku and AppleTV I suspect as both of their UI’s are better IMO. AppleTV’s weakness is the crappy remote, otherwise it is a great streaming platform that is well supported by practically everybody these days.
     
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