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HD carriage dispute w/ ABC/ESPN/Disney

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by tsmacro, Jun 22, 2010.

  1. Jul 1, 2010 #181 of 418
    Stewart Vernon

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    It wouldn't have to be...

    None of those Encore movie channels included in the "250" tier are censored... Nor are MGMHD, HD Net Movies, EPIX, etc.

    Even the HD Net (not movies) channel airs uncensored stuff late at night...

    So there's really no reason they'd have to be censored if they wanted placement in a different package.

    On a different/similar (contradiction) note... I like some sports, but am not a fanatic. I like ESPN, and I like having it in my basic package. I would pay for it a la carte, but I don't know what my limit would be... Would I be willing to pay $10-$15 for it by itself? I don't think so.

    Thing is, this is true of everything. As already noted... if you cross ESPN off the list, then something else becomes the "most expensive" channel in the basic tier.
     
  2. Jul 1, 2010 #182 of 418
    Stewart Vernon

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    Agreed. I think both Dish and Disney know this... hence why Disney has not made a threat to pull all of their channels because of Dish's "transgressions"... and why Dish hasn't opted to stop carrying those other channels while disputing these.

    Dish knows losing ESPN would be a big deal. Disney also knows that losing multi-millions of subscribers would be bad.

    I think that's why we see the battleground on some of their "lesser" channels... Dish wants to prove that they shouldn't pay more because their customers don't want to pay more... and Disney wants to prove the channels in HD are being undervalued.

    I agree that the "winner" in this likely shapes other similar disputes. You can bet that if Disney wins, other channels will raise the same point with their HD feeds next time around.
     
  3. Jul 1, 2010 #183 of 418
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    So where do the advertisers come into this picture? They can't be happy that many viewers are not seeing their product.
     
  4. Jul 1, 2010 #184 of 418
    Stewart Vernon

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    Exactly... this is part of the risk Disney is taking... because losing all those eyes on those HD feeds means the advertisers are going to come back and want to pay less for those same ad-spots... and Disney will take a hit there at some point.
     
  5. Jul 1, 2010 #185 of 418
    James Long

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    Viewers are seeing it fine ... in SD.

    The networks have probably lost a few "I refuse to watch SD" viewers and a few more who have HD only packages - but the channels are still available to most customers. The commercials are available too.
     
  6. Jul 2, 2010 #186 of 418
    tsmacro

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    Yeah so far this won't have much impact on advertisers. Sure the primetime lineup on abc and maybe some big shows and/or games on the cable channels probably use the old traditional method of selling individual slots to advertisers for x amount of $ depending on ratings. However most of the advertising these days in these situations are sold "in bulk" so to speak. Basically you pay x amount of $ to have your ad randomly show up at any given time across all the companies various channels. Usually these rates are based on the number of "potential eyeballs" could be on those channels at any given time. Of course "potential eyeballs" is figured out by coming up with how many millions of people subscribe to the packages that include those channels across all providers. So right now any reduction in "potential eyeballs" is negligible I would guess based on the channels involved and the fact it's only happening on one service provider and as has been already pointed out those channels with their ads are still showing up in SD.
     
  7. Jul 2, 2010 #187 of 418
    Greg Bimson

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    Ah, but here is the other side of that equation:

    We know that Disney's line was Dish Network was not entitled to those four HD channels according to the affiliate agreements. So how exactly was Dish Network carrying those four HD channels from May 2008 to June 2010? I am guessing during the lawsuit, Disney simply opened them up in case there was a problem, with the expectation that payment would follow once the suit was decided.

    I have a feeling those eyeballs weren't counted in Disney's side of the equation.

    Besides, the Disney XD HD channel and the Disney HD channel don't have much in the way of commercials, so for those channels it is a wash.
     
  8. Jul 2, 2010 #188 of 418
    Stewart Vernon

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    Are you watching different versions of those channels than I've been watching?

    I have seen lots of commercials on those channels when I watch. Granted I haven't watched in months... but they run commercials even during their own Disney-produced movies... and all the stuff on DisneyXD has traditional commercial breaks 2-3 times per half hour just like any other channel I've watched.
     
  9. Jul 2, 2010 #189 of 418
    deepen10

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    wow just noticed the ESPNEWS SD channel is gone.. WTF DISH!!??

    THIS IS RIDICULOUS!
     
  10. Jul 2, 2010 #190 of 418
    James Long

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    Still on my receivers. Seems like a personal problem.

    Check your locks/favorites lists/ etc to make sure the channel isn't hidden.
     
  11. Jul 2, 2010 #191 of 418
    garys

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    Or have Dish rehit your receiver.
     
  12. Jul 3, 2010 #192 of 418
    deepen10

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    No, I have not hidden it.. I'm on the ALL CHAN setting. It's "green" in my Guide and says I'm not subscribed to it. I have the DISH America HD package. I was getting the ESPNEWS as of last night at 11 pm.
     
  13. Jul 3, 2010 #193 of 418
    James Long

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    If it is green in your guide then it is a PERSONAL problem with your receiver. DISH has not pulled the channel ... there is a problem with your subscription.

    I see in other threads where you were complaining about not getting the SD versions of the channels weeks ago ... now you claim that you were getting ESPNEWS last night? DISH America HD is a HD package. ESPNEWS is a SD channel.
     
  14. Jul 3, 2010 #194 of 418
    nmetro

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    ESPN NEWS SD is working fine here. So, it must be at your end.
     
  15. Jul 3, 2010 #195 of 418
    TBoneit

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    You may be paying $15 to your provider for HBO. Your provider is keeping a substantial portion of that $15 to cover distribution costs and a profit for carrying HBO.

    Sadly I expect that programming costs will go up at a obscene pace for many of the popular channels. Example NYC locals will most likely at some point not opt for must carry.
     
  16. Jul 3, 2010 #196 of 418
    deepen10

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    um yea... but I get every single other HD channel in my package in an SD version as well. Only ESPN, Disney and ABCfam were dropped from both HD and SD versions. I talked to DISH yesterday. they told me the same crap, that I have an HD only package.. And they told me that I have to upgrade to top 120 for 15 bucks more on my bill plus either a new 2 year commitment or a $99 upfront charge.
    But then how do you explain me getting SD versions of all of my other HD channels as we speak? I have always received SD versions of all of my HD channels since 2008!
     
  17. Jul 3, 2010 #197 of 418
    James Long

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    ESPNews, ABCFamily, Disney and Disney XD are not available in HD via DISH and are not in your HD only package. Why is it that you feel that you should get channels that are not available in HD in your HD package?
     
  18. Jul 3, 2010 #198 of 418
    deepen10

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    How is that possible? When i get ALL of my HD channels alongside their SD counterparts? I have had both SD and HD channels in my "HD" package since 2008. I should still get ESPN, Disney and abcfamily in SD.. This is really messed up..
     
  19. Jul 3, 2010 #199 of 418
    scooper

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    How about "What package are your parents subscribing to ?" - That will answer alot of questions....
     
  20. Jul 3, 2010 #200 of 418
    sigma1914

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    See below.
     

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