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HD Channel Counts

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by Earl Bonovich, Oct 9, 2007.

  1. Oct 9, 2007 #1 of 23
    Earl Bonovich

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    So... we have DirecTV and their "count" of HD channels...
    We have DishNetwork and their "count" of HD channels...
    We now have the Cable-Co's with their "count" of HD channels....


    What "counts" in the "count" of channels?

    Availability in one market on their system? (RE: Comcast adding USA HD in just one market, with no stated plans on when/if it will be added to others)

    Counting PPV's as individual channels? (RE: Dish network and their new updated channel count?)

    Counting Special Event / Limited time packages (RE: DirecTV and what is expected that Sunday Ticket may be in the 100 count)


    Most of "us" would agree, that it is all about the CONTENT...
    But sadly... we are not "normal"... and the normal/average consumer, thinks of the counts of channels.....
     
  2. Oct 9, 2007 #2 of 23
    Capmeister

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    If we count HD content, then BravoHD, HistoryHD, etc., either aren't HD networks or aren't full time HD networks. ;)

    Me? I'm content that DirecTV is working on adding as much as they can hardware wise, and I know that the content will catch up.
     
  3. Oct 9, 2007 #3 of 23
    jcurrier31

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    I believe we should count Any full time HD channel. All but maybe 4 or so channels has 24 hours of HD content. Channel 95 and such I would not count. I would agree that as long as bandwidth isn't an issue, I.E. anytime a channel has the content it will be provided in HD. I also wouldn't count PPV as of yet do to the fact that it is sacrificed to make bandwidth in other places.

    JMHO
     
  4. Oct 9, 2007 #4 of 23
    Indiana627

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    If a channel is available nationwide on a 24/7 basis AND is capable of showing an HD show, then it should count.
     
  5. Oct 9, 2007 #5 of 23
    alevine1986

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    Would you count a RSN? Anyone can get the Sports Pack and have SNY or NESN, but can't see all the content (games) unless they are in the local DMA.
     
  6. Oct 9, 2007 #6 of 23
    dpfaunts

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    That's my vote :) or +1 if you prefer or not
     
  7. Oct 9, 2007 #7 of 23
    Indiana627

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    If it's nationwide, then yes I would. So D* should count YES HD, SNY HD, NESN HD and the 2 Comcast RSNs (mid-Atlantic and Chicago I believe).

    D* (or E* or cable companies) don't decide when to blackout a game - that's decided by each league.
     
  8. Oct 9, 2007 #8 of 23
    Stewart Vernon

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    When we start debating the 24/7 nature and say if it isn't 24/7 then it doesn't count... then you almost are forced to consider that a 24/7 channel with only 4 hours of HD per day is really no better than an RSN that only shows 1 game in HD per day, with an average sporting event going 3 hours in length.

    I'm not saying RSNs should count... but the basis by which folks want to discount them seems to be in conflict with at least some of the channels that are counted.

    Then we have the argument that even if it is 24/7 HD if there is only a few hours of unique programming repeated (like a PPV for instance) then maybe that doesn't count either. Oh, but what if it is 24/7 unique HD content but I only like 2 hours of it?

    And on we go...

    I will be glad and hopeful for the day when the counting nonsense is done.
     
  9. Oct 9, 2007 #9 of 23
    Indiana627

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    Further point: if you took your thought to its logical end, then we couldn't count ESPN HD nor ESPN2 HD since sometimes games on those channels are blacked out.
     
  10. wdegraff

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    It would seem to me that the best way to count channels would be to identify the number of channels that could theoretically broadcast different HD content programs at any one time. While it's unlikely that such a situation would occur, given the overlapping programming that happens on RSNs, imagine what it would be like if they all had different college games broadcast in HD. A split channel like Versus/Golf, however, should only count as one (as they share a channel).

    (edited to correct Versus is paired with Golf, not Tennis)
     
  11. richiephx

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    I would think, to make it very simple, include "any" channel (either MPEG2 or MPEG4) that has the capability of showing a HD program. Let both E* and D* include RSN's, PPV's or any other channel that a subscriber pays for as part of a program or sports package that is designated as HD.
     
  12. Galaxie6411

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    I would agree with the above, it is not the satellite providers fault if the HD channel they supply does not have an HD program running every minute of every day. I'd say for Dish count every channel that has the "HD" designation, but then there is still the good 5 or so Big 10 channels that show 1 game a week and rarely have every channel filled. I know that completely goes against my first statement so maybe "alternates" should be taken out of that and everything else counts. HDPPV channels also cause a problem to me.
     
  13. Drew2k

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    My take: The count should be the number of channels available on any given day with the capability to display HD programming. In DIRECTV's case, that number is very high on a Sunday and the number drops to a different number the rest of the week.

    That's what a consumer will see: If I wanted to flip to an HD channel, how many HD channels are available to me right now? The fact that it may not currently be showing HD content is besides the point because any HD programming can be preempted at any time. What matters to me is the availability - in other words - the capacity for HD.

    If DIRECTV enables XX number of channels for HD then there has to be the capacity for 24 hours of HD, whether or not each channel actually shows 1 hour or all 24 hours in HD.
     
  14. RAD

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    I say count any HD channel that you can get on a 24x7x365 bases (not including sporting blackouts) with a normal montly subscription. I say don't include sports subscription package channels or PPV channel. Also exclude the HD network DNS channels since the vast majority of people can not get those channels.
     
  15. ShawnL25

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    This is how I have done it

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    This list doesn’t include:
    1.Local Channels
    2.West Coast Feeds
    3.Game/Event Only Channels
    4.Part Time RSN’s
    5.HD PPV
    6.HD on Demand

    This is however everything included in Premier, Everything, the All the Channels Packages you can subscribe to.

    Directv


    1. HBO HD
    2.Showtime HD
    3. ESPN2
    4.ESPN
    5.Universal HD
    6.TNT
    7.HD Theater
    8.HDNet Movies
    9.HDNet
    10. CNN HD
    11. NFL Network HD
    12. Big Ten Network HD
    13. USA Network HD
    14. Sci-Fi Channel HD
    15. TBS HD
    16. A&E HD
    17. Smithsonian Channel HD
    18. History Channel HD
    19. Bravo HD
    20. Discovery Channel HD
    21. The Learning Channel HD
    22. Animal Planet HD
    23. Science HD
    24. MHD
    25. The Weather Channel HD
    26. Cinemax HD
    27. Starz! Kids HD
    28. Starz! Comedy HD
    29. Starz! HD
    30. Starz! Edge HD
    31. SHO TOO HD
    32. The Movie Channel HD
    33. Versus/Golf Channel HD
    34. Comcast Sports Net Chicago HD
    35. Comcast Sports Network Mid-Atlantic HD
    36. NESN HD
    37. SportsNet New York HD
    38. YES Network HD
    40. Food Network HD
    41. MGM HD
    42. National Geographic HD
    43. CNBC HD
    44. Cartoon Network
    45. Fox Business
    46. Fuel TV
    47. FX
    48. HGTV
    49. Speed
    50. FSN Detroit
    51. FSN Southwest
    52. FSN West
    53. FSN Prime Ticket



    Dish

    1. HBO HD
    2. Showtime HD
    3. ESPN2
    4. ESPN
    5. Universal HD
    6. TNT
    7. HD Theater
    8. HDNet Movies
    9. HDNet
    10. NFL Network HD
    11. Big Ten Network HD
    12. History Channel HD
    13. Discovery Channel HD
    14. The Learning Channel HD
    15. Animal Planet HD
    16. Science HD
    17. MHD
    18. Cinemax HD
    19. A&E HD
    20. Starz! HD
    21. Versus/Golf Channel HD
    22. Food HD
    23. HGTV HD
    24. National Geographic HD
    25. World Cinema HD
    26. WorldSport HD
    27. Treasure HD
    28. Ultra HD
    29. Rave HD
    30. Rush HD
    31. Kung Fu HD
    32. Monster HD
    33. HD World News
    34. Gallery HD
    35. GamePlay HD
    36. Equator HD
    37. Family Room HD
    38. Film Fest HD
    39. Animania HD
    40. TBS HD


    Comcast

    1. HBO HD
    2. Showtime HD
    3. ESPN2
    4. ESPN
    5. Universal HD
    6. TNT
    7. HD Theater
    8. HDNet Movies
    9. HDNet
    10. Cinemax HD
    11. Versus/Golf Channel HD
    12. MHD
    13. Mojo
    14. Starz! HD
    15. TBS HD
    16. NFL Network HD

    If you find it easier to compare when you only compare which channels are offered by one service but are NOT offered on the other:

    Dish network has (but DirecTV does not):



    1 Film Fest HD
    2 World Cinema HD
    3 WorldSport HD
    4 Treasure HD
    5 Ultra HD
    6 Animania HD
    7 Rave HD
    8 Rush HD
    9 Kung Fu HD
    10 Monster HD
    11 HD World News
    12 Gallery HD
    13 GamePlay HD
    14 Equator HD
    15 Family Room HD

    DirecTV has (but Dish Network does not):

    1 CNN HD
    2 USA Network HD
    3 Sci-Fi Channel HD
    4 Smithsonian Channel HD
    5 Bravo HD
    6 The Weather Channel HD
    7 Starz! Kids HD
    8 Starz! Comedy HD
    9 Starz! Edge HD
    10 Sho Too HD
    11 The Movie Channel HD
    12 Comcast Sports Net Chicago HD
    13 Comcast Sports Network Mid-Atlantic HD
    14 NESN HD
    15 SportsNet New York HD
    16 YES Network HD
    17. MGM HD
    18. CNBC HD
    19. Cartoon Network
    20. Fox Business
    21. Fuel TV
    22. FX
    23. Speed
    24. FSN Detroit
    25. FSN Southwest
    26. FSN West
    27. FSN Prime Ticket

    Comcast has (but Dish Network and DirecTV does not):

    1 Mojo

    These are the fairest parameters in my estimation because regardless of where you live you can receive these channels. In Houston I also receive FSN Houston (game only), FSN South West (game only), ABC, NBC, FOX, CBS, as well as ABC (NY), and FOX (NY). Other subs. May not get any of the above. Thus they are not on the list. As far as west coast feeds I have them and watch them but understand the argument that they do not contain any unique programming from their east coast counter parts. As for HD PPV movie and event channels I consider these to be fundamental to choosing your provider (i.e. NFLST) but, again I am excluding these from my counts to be most fair. If it is included in the list you can reasonably expect at most times to be able to tune to that channel and potentially watch programming in HD.
     
  16. ebaltz

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    multiple RSNs skew that list. Those should be left out. Only nationally available channels should be included.
     
  17. ShawnL25

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    BETTER?

    Directv

    1. HBO HD
    2.Showtime HD
    3. ESPN2
    4.ESPN
    5.Universal HD
    6.TNT
    7.HD Theater
    8.HDNet Movies
    9.HDNet
    10. CNN HD
    11. NFL Network HD
    12. Big Ten Network HD
    13. USA Network HD
    14. Sci-Fi Channel HD
    15. TBS HD
    16. A&E HD
    17. Smithsonian Channel HD
    18. History Channel HD
    19. Bravo HD
    20. Discovery Channel HD
    21. The Learning Channel HD
    22. Animal Planet HD
    23. Science HD
    24. MHD
    25. The Weather Channel HD
    26. Cinemax HD
    27. Starz! Kids HD
    28. Starz! Comedy HD
    29. Starz! HD
    30. Starz! Edge HD
    31. SHO TOO HD
    32. The Movie Channel HD
    33. Versus/Golf Channel HD
    34. Food Network HD
    35. MGM HD
    36. National Geographic HD
    37. CNBC HD
    38. Cartoon Network
    39. Fox Business
    40. Fuel TV
    41. FX
    42. HGTV
    43. Speed



    Dish

    1. HBO HD
    2. Showtime HD
    3. ESPN2
    4. ESPN
    5. Universal HD
    6. TNT
    7. HD Theater
    8. HDNet Movies
    9. HDNet
    10. NFL Network HD
    11. Big Ten Network HD
    12. History Channel HD
    13. Discovery Channel HD
    14. The Learning Channel HD
    15. Animal Planet HD
    16. Science HD
    17. MHD
    18. Cinemax HD
    19. A&E HD
    20. Starz! HD
    21. Versus/Golf Channel HD
    22. Food HD
    23. HGTV HD
    24. National Geographic HD
    25. World Cinema HD
    26. WorldSport HD
    27. Treasure HD
    28. Ultra HD
    29. Rave HD
    30. Rush HD
    31. Kung Fu HD
    32. Monster HD
    33. HD World News
    34. Gallery HD
    35. GamePlay HD
    36. Equator HD
    37. Family Room HD
    38. Film Fest HD
    39. Animania HD
    40. TBS HD
    41. NHL HD
     
  18. ebaltz

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    Yep, thats a good list.
     
  19. Drew2k

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    But .... the HD RSN's previously listed (YES, NESN, etc.) ARE available nationally, so they should not have been taken off the list.
     
  20. tonyd79

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    Agreed. Put them back on. They are available to anyone who pays for them.

    Otherwise, a pretty fair list.

    But it would be nice to keep TWO lists. One full time national networks (as the first comprehensive list) plus a part time list. Both DirecTV (NFL, EI, part time RSNs) and Dish (NHL home and away, BTN alternates) have part time channels and they are important for various reasons.

    It is not too hard for someone to hear 53 full time plus 25 part time channels. It is fully descriptive and fair.
     

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