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HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray War Thread - Update: Toshiba formally announces end of HD DVD

Discussion in 'The Movies' started by Nick, Apr 23, 2007.

  1. Dec 22, 2007 #521 of 3123
    Lord Vader

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    Anyone know if the Harry Potter collection can output Dolby True HD? On the 5 disc set I got, all I can get is DD5.1. I've got a Panasonic BD30 Blu-Ray, and it plays other movies in True HD--those that have this, of course--but the Potter movies only show DD5.1.
     
  2. Dec 23, 2007 #522 of 3123
    Cholly

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    According to High-Def Digest's review, the Blu-ray Disc version is Dolby Digital 5.1 surround. The HD-DVD version is Dolby True HD.
    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/992/harrypotteryears.html
     
  3. Dec 23, 2007 #523 of 3123
    Rich

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    Ignorance overwhelms and humbles me. What is "True HD"? As opposed to 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1.

    Rich
     
  4. Dec 23, 2007 #524 of 3123
    Cholly

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    The number of manufacturing defects on Blu-ray Disc titles continues to grow. See the news section on this link: http://www.highdefdigest.com/
     
  5. Dec 23, 2007 #525 of 3123
    Lord Vader

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    There is a huge difference between DD5.1 and Dolby True HD.
     
  6. Dec 23, 2007 #526 of 3123
    Lord Vader

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    Figures. Fortunately, however, if one chooses PCM on the disc's menu, then one will be able to get the audio in lossless quality, which is better than traditional DD5.1.
     
  7. Dec 23, 2007 #527 of 3123
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    Others have touched on it already, but True HD is one of the new surround standards that are coming along with both formats of HiDef DVD. To make them go, either you need a DVD player with an internal decoder and a DVD recorded in that format with a receiver that takes PCM and passes it through, OR you need a player that will pass the new format along to a new receiver that decodes and sends it out to the speakers.

    Confused yet? I sure am.

    I tabled the new receiver for a couple of years until all of these standards calm down a bit.

    Every HD-DVD I've played has yet another standard called Dolby Digital Plus that gets along with DD decoders, and I am very impressed. A TOS cable feeds it, and the sonic resolution, spacial focus, and 3-D soundstage are wonderful. It even sounds good, too.

    My guess is True-HD and the other lossless compressions are kind of gilding the lilly. Especially for the rear channels, will there really be a benefit from 24 bit 192K lossless compression compared to a well engineered DD or DD Plus?

    I'll have to hear it to believe it.
     
  8. Dec 24, 2007 #528 of 3123
    chris0

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    When a movie is made there's a master audio track that is the one played when you see it in the theater. In the past, because DVDs couldn't hold a lot of data (compared to HD DVD and BluRay) the soundtrack had to be compressed using "lossy" compression. "Lossy" means that some sound would be lost in the compression. Lossy codecs include Dolby Digital, DTS and DD+.

    Uncompressed PCM is the exact reproduction of the master audio track, uncompressed. So when a disc has it it's just like what you heard in the theaters. BluRay discs have a lot of space on them so many of them have uncompressed PCM.

    True HD and DTS HD MA are "lossless" comressions of the PCM. Think of them like a Zip file. Once they're uncompressed, or unzipped, they're exactly the same as PCM. If a disc is short on space, simply because of the size of the movie or because of the amount of extras on a disc, the studio will use one of these.

    It shouldn't make a difference if the "unzipping" is done in the player or in the receiver. If you have an older receiver that accepts PCM over an HDMI input and a player that internally decodes True HD or DTS HD MA then you're all good. Right now, though, no player internally decodes DTS HD MA.

    5.1, 6.1, and 7.1 are a separate thing. They're the number of channels (speakers) used in the soundtrack. The .1 is the subwoofer.
     
  9. Dec 24, 2007 #529 of 3123
    Rich

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    Thanx, I knew someone would come up with a lucid explanation other than "they exist". Well said.

    I knew that. I didn't know if they played a part in True HD.

    Rich
     
  10. Dec 24, 2007 #530 of 3123
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    :lol: Actually, no, I hadn't, but please don't think I'm disagreeing with you there! :lol:

    If we have had disagreements, I hope I have not in any way implied there was something personal going on, as I almost always focus on the posts I'm responding to, and not on the posters. (There are exceptions of course, but those people have made it to my ignore list - currently 1 member I think!)


    Happy holidays!

    Drew
     
  11. Dec 24, 2007 #531 of 3123
    machavez00

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    does anyone know, or can find out, if the what profile the Sony BDP300/301 is. I saw it at Sam's for $277. 1.0 is a definite no go.
     
  12. Dec 24, 2007 #532 of 3123
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    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=860948
    That's the owner's thread over at AVSForums. I'm sure one of them will know.
     
  13. Dec 24, 2007 #533 of 3123
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    Even if the one you buy is at 1.0, the update to 1.1 has been released so you can always update it.

    Interesting avatar by the way.....:rolleyes:
     
  14. Dec 25, 2007 #534 of 3123
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    I have this one, machavez00 its profile 1.0.
     
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    Cholly

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    Post #394, this forum.
    It gave rise to some rather emotional discussion. Blu-ray vs. HD DVD tends to do that. Now that Blu-ray Disc players are available for under $300 the lead for that format will increase at a greater rate, despite the fact that a higher percentage of Blu-ray Discs are trouble prone, and second generation (ver. 1.1) players other than the PS3 are only now beginning to hit the market. With Sony, Disney and Fox being Blu-ray only, that format has more family appeal and therefore stands a better chance at winning the format war, regardless of technology.
     
  17. Dec 25, 2007 #537 of 3123
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    Well after all the Best Buy Gift Cards I got this year for Christmas, this weekend I'm going to join the 21st century. Sony BDP-S500 here I come!
     
  18. Dec 25, 2007 #538 of 3123
    Lord Vader

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    If I could convince you to instead get the Panasonic DMP-BD30, you WON'T be disappointed. It blows away any other Blu-Ray player out there. I'm a big Sony fan and almost went with the BDP-500, but after much researching and soul-searching, I opted for the DMP-BD30 and am greatly satisfied that I did.
     
  19. Dec 25, 2007 #539 of 3123
    machavez00

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    I have read that the PS3 is the only player that can be upgraded to profile 1.1 from 1.0
     
  20. Dec 25, 2007 #540 of 3123
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    While this sounds good to a US audience, what wins in the US will not decide what wins. Worldwide consumption will be the true measure stick of what will ultimately win out. China will be a very large factor in this.

    All that said, you can easily find any title you want in either format. This is much nicer with HD-DVD as there is no regional lockdown. Once again I think Sony could have really ended this before it started. Once again they shoot themselves in the foot with lockdowns that are over bearing and standards that are optional. Just look at everyone above asking if this Blu-ray player has this profile or can do that option. No confusion with HD-DVD.
     

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