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HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray War Thread - Update: Toshiba formally announces end of HD DVD

Discussion in 'The Movies' started by Nick, Apr 23, 2007.

  1. Jul 30, 2007 #121 of 3123
    BudShark

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    Interesting spin on all of this.

    HD-DVD spin: Target is not going exclusively Blu-Ray. They will not be pulling any HD-DVD product from their shevles.

    Blu-Ray spin: Target will be exclusively selling Blu-Ray next generation players.

    Reality "spin": To date Target has not sold ANY next generation players in their store. They will be selling Blu-Ray players in their store now. No specific announcement regarding HD-DVD players being added, or continuing to be absent.

    I'm still sticking with my stance. Numbers are too small to declare a winner. By the time people embrace the technology the price difference will be negligible and titles will be all that matters - hence Blu-Ray.

    Of course, to waka's point (sorry) both formats will live. Because by the time the cost of the players is low enough to spur general interest - the cost of the dual formats will be low enough that they will become the norm and both media will live.

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  2. Jul 30, 2007 #122 of 3123
    Tom Robertson

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    It seems to me there is enough need for an HD video technology that I can't see them both dying. Stall or stagnate? Perhaps. But there will be one winner (ok, both may suffer short-term loses until the winner emerges).

    And I too am waiting. Until then I'm not only buying zero HD DVDs but fewer to next to none regular DVDs. So they all lose right now.

    Cheers,
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  3. Jul 30, 2007 #123 of 3123
    Amon37

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    Well my video gaming system(PS3) came with a BD player built in so I'm enjoying the movies now. If Blu-ray dies then I will still have a collection of great HD movies and my player is not obsolete.
     
  4. Jul 30, 2007 #124 of 3123
    wakajawaka

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    Good point, everyone loses in the short run, even regular DVD.
     
  5. Jul 30, 2007 #125 of 3123
    Drew2k

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    Do you honestly think the studios currently exclusively offering Blu-Ray titles will NEVER start offering those titles in HD-DVD format? If you believe people will embrace the titles when prices of the players drop, why wouldn't the exclusive studios want to increase their sales by selling content on the alternate format as well?
     
  6. Jul 30, 2007 #126 of 3123
    ibglowin

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    I don't see Disney/Pixar/Sony EVER producing anything on HD-DVD. Sorry. No one wants a format war to go on any longer than it has to not even the studios. They chose the format they thought was best for the consumer and the studios.

     
  7. Jul 31, 2007 #127 of 3123
    AlbertZeroK

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    I'm sure that's what they said about BETA MAX. Unfortunately, if Blu-ray looses, they will have no choice.
     
  8. Jul 31, 2007 #128 of 3123
    djlong

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    The only HD-DVD-only studio is Universal. ALL the others are either both or Blu-Ray only. The death knell for HD-DVD would be if Universal went "both ways".
     
  9. Jul 31, 2007 #129 of 3123
    Stuart Sweet

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    Then I say, go both ways Universal! Whatever it takes to end the format war. Enough is enough!
     
  10. Jul 31, 2007 #130 of 3123
    jutley

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    Personally, I don't think they worry about the consumer much. It's always about what's best for them although they slant it so that it sounds like they only have the consumer's best interest in mind, IMHO. It's always about what will make them the most money.
     
  11. Jul 31, 2007 #131 of 3123
    BudShark

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    Never say never... I know that.
    But I think the 2 that matter in the next 12-18 months won't (Sony and Disney). And I figure within 12-18 months we are talking about both players being less than $200.

    Chris
     
  12. Jul 31, 2007 #132 of 3123
    Cholly

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    1. Sony isn't about to go with HD DVD. They lost a few wars in the past and are determined to win this one.
    2. Disney, Fox, LionsGate and MGM are all paranoid about copy protection (The one used by HD DVD has already been cracked), and will stick with who they think will win the wars.

    Although I own an HD DVD player (Toshiba HD-A2), I'm inclined to believe that Blu-ray Disc will be the winner in the wars. More hardware manufacturers support the format, as do all major studios except Universal.

    Toshiba may well have shot themselves in the foot by cutting hardware prices so severely. No other hardware manufacturer other than Thomson/RCA is making a standalone HD DVD player, and at Toshiba's price level, no one is going to jump in with one.
     
  13. Aug 1, 2007 #133 of 3123
    ibglowin

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  14. Aug 1, 2007 #134 of 3123
    Chris Blount

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  15. Aug 1, 2007 #135 of 3123
    BudShark

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    Chris - I think most people who are writing editorials are biased.

    The problem is whether or not his facts or statements are wrong. If something is wrong in that logic I'd love to hear it - much as the writer did for the article he is arguing against. But just saying someone is biased doesn't mean their logic or arguments are wrong or should be dismissed.

    Chris
     
  16. Aug 1, 2007 #136 of 3123
    Chris Blount

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    I didn't say anything about dismissing his opinions. Some points he makes are valid, but I am leery about what Bill says these days. Once he took the Blu-Ray stance, his credibility (at least for me) moved down a few notches mainly because his neutrality is now non-existent.

    Like on any other subject, editorial comment should be taken with the source in mind.
     
  17. Aug 7, 2007 #137 of 3123
    machavez00

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    full article at:http://news.digitaltrends.com/news/s...hd_dvd_players
    Toshiba Announces 3rd-Gen HD DVD Players

    Monday, August 6th 2007 @ 10:30 AM PDT



    By Geoff Duncan
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    Toshiba has announced its third generation of HD DVD players, and puts pressure on the Blu-ray camp by starting prices at $299.99.


    Electronics maker Toshiba is ratcheting up competition with the Blu-ray high-definition video camp again, announcing its third generation of its HD-A HD DVD players for the U.S. market. The three new units are timed to hit retailers just as the end-of-year holiday buying season ramps up, and all three units will be priced under under $500, and with low-end pricing starting at just $299.99.

    Keeping up with Toshiba's non-stop claims that the HD DVD format is dominating the high-definition market, the VP of Marketing for Toshiba's Digital A/V Group, Jodi Sally, stated: "With a majority market share in unit sales of next generation DVD players, consumers are speaking loud and clear, and they are adopting HD DVD as their HD movie format of choice. Because of the proven manufacturing efficiencies of the HD DVD format, Toshiba can bring this level of innovation in technology to a new generation of players with cutting-edge functionality at affordable prices."
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  18. Aug 10, 2007 #138 of 3123
    Christopher Gould

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  19. Aug 10, 2007 #139 of 3123
    Cholly

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    My two cents worth -- Bill Hunt may be right in saying that Blu-ray Disc will eventually win the war, but he doesn't even bother to investigate whether studios had financial incentive to support that format. It certainly helps that Sony, major promoter of Blu-ray Disc, is also the owner of Sony Pictures. :grin:
     
  20. Aug 10, 2007 #140 of 3123
    DBS Commando

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    Time article on format war:

    http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1651857,00.html

    Here's a snippet:

     

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