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HD DVRs, Receivers, and R22: Nov. 2011 Release Issues/Discussion (HD GUI)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Oct 28, 2011.

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  1. Richierich

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    I Never have had to Perform 7 Presses of the Remote to get to the "To Do List" so what am I doing differently.

    I think mine takes like 4 Presses or Iterations to go to Menu, then Recordings, Manage Recordings, and then To Do List!!!
     
  2. nuspieds

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    When my setup had only one tuner, I would constantly check the To-Do list to ensure that it would record what I wanted and expected, priority-wise.

    That practice fell dramatically when my equipment was upgraded (at the time the HR20-700 was the latest HD DVR) and I then had two tuners. Then, I later added an HR24-500 and replaced the older receiver in my bedroom with the HR20-700. So now I have two receivers with 2 tuners, making a total of 4 tuners.

    Now ask me how often I check the To-Do List? As a matter of fact, "What's a To-Do List?" :D

    But that's me and, yes, I can definitely see value in adding the ability to more quickly access such features via IP or IR codes as you stated. That also reminds me of the QuickTune feature: They could even implement something similar called "QuickMenu" or whatever, where you can store your favorite and most-used menu items.
     
  3. makaiguy

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    IIRC, 'way back in the dark ages, my first DirecTV RCA receiver had a feature that allowed you to define quick access buttons to particular functions that might be buried deep in the menu structure.
     
  4. mx6bfast

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    Delray...
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    We have gone from 1 yellow button push to 4 and now to 7. Next is 10 steps.

    What steps do you do to get there?
     
  5. Laxguy

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    +1.

    In my wild dreams, DIRECTV® is already taking steps towards this, one of them being to reprogram buttons on the remote..... and of course, it'd provide an integrated To-Do list and Series Manager..... good place to start would be the iPad app, then the Android world, then thought control*.

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  6. inkahauts

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    I have said many times, I don't understand the need to check the to do list unless you haven't set up your prioritizers correctly. Set that up right, and there is no practical need. You want to see what's on, use the guide. While your surfing the guide, you will see what's set to be recorded. I think checking the to do list can actually cause more problems than leaving it alone if your doing it to mess with conflicts. The unit will catch a latter showing even if it's labeled as a repeat as long as you don't cancel the one that wont record do to conflict, but if you mess with it and then something changes again, it won't, because you manually canceled the earlier one. with that said I want to see all guides on all machines show all set recordings from all machines on your network. I'd also like to see what Stuart mentioned, and I think itd be nice to see a faster access to the manage recordings screen, not the to do list, from the playlist.

    But i can live without those things. Overall, with this new menu system, many things have fallen one layer further down, and while I don't mind that to much in the main menu, I think that their next step should be to start eliminating some of those steps in other places' like the guide and playlist. There are far to many button presses to select some of the playlist options for example. And thats far more pressing IMHO than the new layer in the main menu system.
     
  7. dennisj00

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    How with multiple DVRs can you see what's set to record from the guide?
     
  8. inkahauts

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    Your to do list only shows the dvr your on anyway, so there is no advantage. However, the guide will show you everything that is on, so if you see something you may want to record you might make sure its set somewhere, whereas the to do list will never show you what your missing that wasn't already at some point set to record on that machine only. Like I said, I'd like to see all programs set to record from all dvrs shown in the guide, but alas, with the advent of the hr34 the need for that will shrink even further.

    The vast majority of subs probably only have one dvr. And after the hr34 that number of people with multiple dvrs will decrease as a % of overall customers even more IMHO. Heck, I am hoping to slim down from seven hrs to at most 3 hr34, although I think I may be able to shrink down to just two.
     
  9. dvdmth

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    I check the To Do list primarily to make sure nothing is missing. I have, on numerous occasions, seen a program disappear from the TDL because of a "guide update" (according to the DVR history). Sometimes these recordings get re-added to the TDL, but not always. Belive me - I've missed several programs altogether because of this, and I've saved myself from missing several other by checking the TDL periodically.

    I also check the To Do List to see if any recordings overlap during a time when live sports are likely to be watched (e.g. on NFL Sundays). The last thing I want to have happen is to be in the middle of watching the Red Zone and get a pop-up asking if it's OK to record another program. If I knew far enough in advance, I could've moved that recording to one of the other DVR's and avoid having both tuners occupied, but when I only have a minute or two to react, it becomes a pain.

    All that being said, though I'd like a quicker way to get to the TDL (on our Comcast DVR it only takes three button presses), I certainly don't need it. The current method of accessing the TDL is plenty fast enough for me. I find it kind of silly that people complain about a whopping seven presses to get to the TDL (it was six in the previous firmware). Are we really that impatient, or are we that worried about conserving battery power in our remotes? That's my opinion, anyway.
     
  10. inkahauts

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    I have never missed a show. What programs have you had that happen with, and when was the last time? And did you look into history to see what it said?

    I plan for things like your red zone issue in advance, and set up all sports to record as well, so I never have that kind of conflict in the first place. Again, I'm all about setting up the prioritized in great detail. But that's a once a week thing anyway, not an everyday occurrence.
     
  11. dvdmth

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    I last had it happen with the President's Cup a few weeks ago. I had set every live block to record, then for some reason Day 2's recording was canceled. The DVR history said it was canceled because of a guide update (or words to that effect). I did not catch the problem until the event was underway, so I ended up having to schedule a replay. Earlier this year, I had issues with Wheel of Fortune because a few episodes were rescheduled because of the NBA Finals. The guide data from our KMGH station was out of sync, so the DVR thought the late-night airings of the show were repeats and didn't schedule them (I had to add these episodes manually). I would not have caught that if I hadn't checked the TDL and saw a couple of missing WOF's in the listing. Another example (and this happens frequently) involves Avalanche hockey games scheduled on part-time Altitude 2 (channel 682). DirecTV likes to screw with the guide data on these part-time channels, so if you set the recording too far in advance, there's a good chance it'll get dropped (with the history claiming that the program is "no longer available" or something like that).

    As for setting sports in advance, I certainly do that when possible, but there are many occasions when I cannot predict in advance what I will wind up watching (since it depends on how the games are going). If I know I'll watch a specific event, I will set it to record, but if there are three or four candidates to choose from, it's not feasible. (Also, some members of the family love to channel surf between multiple games rather than sticking with one or two.)
     
  12. mx6bfast

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    Your argument would be valid if the guide was about 3 or 4 scrolls long, but not with hundreds of channels to go through. There is a need for the to do list, maybe not for you but for other people. I still use it regularly to check what's going to record. And example would be when I am not home and I want to tivo a sports game. If I am tivoing both the game and something else that my wife doesn't care about, I don't want to take the tv away from her. So I go into the to do list and make sure there is another showing of the certain program before I set the game to record.
     
  13. RunnerFL

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    I can't remember the last time I looked at the To Do List on any of my DVR's. Months, maybe a year... My units don't miss recordings so I have no need.
     
  14. Richierich

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    Gotcha!!! :D
     
  15. Richierich

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    There is a Bug in the Zap2It Guide Data where when a "Live" Event such as a Golf Tournament comes on at 3:00 P.M. on a National Feed such as NBC or CBS it is Not Labled or Tagged as a "LIVE EVENT" because a preceding Broadcast also showed on Channel 218 at 1:00 P.M. and someone thinks it is a RERUN or a REBROADCAST so they removed the "LIVE" Tag in the Guide Data.

    So I have to check the "ToDoList" to see if it will indeed be Recorded by my Manual Workarounds.
     
  16. bobcamp1

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    The HR2x misses shows for many people. For me it misses around one show a month, maybe one every two months.

    You are neglecting the fact that multiple people may be using the DVR, or that a bad last minute guide update wipes out the planned recording, or that a one time recording could bump something in the prioritizer even if it's in the top slot.

    The main problem I have is that the to do list in the HRxx isn't accurate. We stopped using it. On my Tivo, I use it all the time. It's two key presses with the remote and always 100% accurate. Any change you make will be reflected in minutes, including all of the ripple effects of the change. The HRxx really seems to struggle with the ripple effects. I don't know why a device made in 1999 can run circles around the HRxx, except that maybe the HRxx's scheduling software isn't rock solid and Tivo had better engineers and/or got lucky. I think D* has given up fixing it and just pushes the to do list deeper into the GUI. That way they can claim they have it, even if it's sub par, but in general they don't want people to use it.
     
  17. Stuart Sweet

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    Here's a case where I guess mileage varies. I haven't seen the HR2x's miss a recording for years and I actively check the to-do list, because I like to know what's coming up. These last minute guide updates that you blame for wiping recordings often catch things that would not otherwise be caught.

    I don't have enough data points on my THR22 to see if it has any problems with last minute recordings but my old TiVo sure did. That took a lot of babysitting for me.

    One thing I did see about 2 years ago was that the display of the to-do list wasn't always accurate but then things recorded properly anyway. I have to suspect those "last minute guide updates" that vex you so, were catching things that previous iterations were missing.
     
  18. Jon J

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    One of my HR20s locked up this morning as I tried to delete a program and only an RBR would solve the problem.

    Also, all my HRs are again slow as molasses except for navigating the new guide. I guess there's no solution to that.
     
  19. RoyGBiv

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    I wish I could say the same thing. As an NHL CI subscriber, I have had many planned recordings disappear the morning of the event due to a guide update. If I am home, I check the TDL of any machine which has a hockey game scheduled for that day. It is also not only NHL CI but other sports. Say, for example, a show which is usually on during the week suddenly has a two-hour episode on Sunday. Well, even if I have a SL set up for that show, it won't pad the Sunday episode. If I don't manually, I will invariably miss the end due to football running long. These are only some examples.

    As for conflicts mentioned above being recorded at another time, you seem to be watching "cable networks" only. The vast majority of broadcast network shows are NOT shown more than once. So if I miss L&O due to a conflict, I won't be seeing it again. If I don't check the TDL, I will miss that a conflict may have arisen. I would say that I look at the TDL at least once a day usually on each machine.

    SMK
     
  20. hsedsie

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    Last night the power went off for a few seconds and all of my DVR's rebooted. Looking at the guide today I have lost much of the the parental info, ratings and cast & crew pictures on all. These had finally updated after around 48 hours after the HD GUI update. Has this always been the case when losing power or is this something new with the HD GUI?
     
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