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HD DVRs, Receivers, and R22: Nov. 2011 Release Issues/Discussion (HD GUI)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Oct 28, 2011.

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  1. Athlon646464

    Athlon646464 Gold Members DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Well, I was kidding a little of course.

    But, after thinking about it a little, what's happening here is that everyone is debating over their remote's 'real estate'. Take the yellow button. Some would like it to go straight to their 'To Do List'. Some would like it to go straight to their 'CC' for example.

    So perhaps a remote that does macros for your most used function on your button of choice would work.

    Or, obviously, allow the user to assign their own functions on the D* remote (which will never happen - a support nightmare :eek2:)

    BTW - I just bought a Harmony One for my mother-in-law for Christmas. It's freakin' awesome. I've been using an MX-500 going on 10 years now and I just may retire it....
  2. JohnDG

    JohnDG Legend

    Aug 16, 2006
    How about a fracking speed-dial like TiVo has had for years: Yellow button and 2: To Do list; Yellow button and 1: CC options; etc.

  3. Mike Bertelson

    Mike Bertelson 6EQUJ5 WOW! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 24, 2007
    I think the remote needs one or two (two would be good) buttons that are capable of of macros. Maybe the next version...or not.

    I use a universal to get rid of a table full of remotes but I chose the one I did because of macros.

  4. Athlon646464

    Athlon646464 Gold Members DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Yup - the reason I bought the MX-500. Very powerful macro capability. :)
  5. rta53

    rta53 Legend

    Apr 10, 2010
    So does this mean you can program it to go to the "to do" list with one button push? Can a Logitech Harmony do this? I have a Harmony 650 but I still mainly use my DTV remote. It's interesting that the 650 is rated the best seller for remotes at Amazon.
  6. Mike Bertelson

    Mike Bertelson 6EQUJ5 WOW! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 24, 2007
    Technically no. It takes more than 5 steps to get to the To-Do list and Harmony's are limited to 5. However, there's a work around using learning in raw mode that might work.

    Now if the DIRECTV OEM remote would handle a couple of macros I think people would be a lot happier.

  7. Jon J

    Jon J Grouch Extrordinaire

    Apr 22, 2002
    Music City, USA
    How does a macro work since the response time to a button push/command can vary so much? Many times the wait for a response can be as much as ten seconds.
  8. Mike Greer

    Mike Greer Hall Of Fame

    Jan 20, 2004
    Salt Lake...
    Careful what you wish for…. The new ‘HDGUI’ seems to be causing grief in my receivers. Am I alone in this?

    I have 3 HR24-500s and 2 HR22s. The look is good I guess, scrolling through the guide on the HR22s is a bit faster but that’s about all the good.

    The trouble is that since getting the update a couple of weeks ago 1 of the HR24s has spontaneously rebooted 3 times (that I know of), another of the HR24s has restarted once. One of the reboots was during a football game and happened just as I tried to back up to look at something – bam – reboot. The neighbors over for the game were quite impressed that it took nearly 10 minutes to get back to the game! Why the hell does it take so long to boot up anyway?

    All three HR24s are slower than they were in everything they do. Still much better than the HR22s but for an update that was supposed to speed things up they are noticeably slower in everything. Most annoying is that after a receiver has been sitting for a while and I hit ‘List’ it just sits there for a few seconds so I hit it again and then it picks up both button pushes so the list comes up then goes away…

    The HR22s are a little faster scrolling through the guide but still have trouble responding to the remotes and scrolling through the playlist and other menus is just as slow as ever – including the 2-5 second pauses where nothing happens and then they play catch-up.

    It also seems strange that they go to the trouble of an HD GUI but the guide still shows only shows 90 minutes at a time. Why not get more info with the extra room of HD?

    Also unchanged in this ‘upgrade’ is my caller ID on the 2 of the HR24s – of my 5 receivers the caller ID works on the 2 HR22s and one of the HR24s. One HR24 is intermittent and one never works. If I move the receivers around the caller ID problems stay with the receivers… Not a huge deal but it would nice if the caller actually worked on the HR24s.

    I also had hoped they would fix the MRV FFWD jump back trouble with this but coming out of FFWD on an HD recording over MRV still gives inconsistent results but always jumps back way too far. Works fine on local recordings and on MPEG2 remote recordings. No one said this would be fixed – I just was hoping to get lucky!

    Maybe in time they’ll fix the fix but at this point I’d rather have the old GUI back on the HR24s so I could have the speed back and lose the reboots.

    Anyone have any suggestions? No external drives on any receiver and there is plenty of available space on each receiver. Using DECA with SWM16…
  9. Mike Bertelson

    Mike Bertelson 6EQUJ5 WOW! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 24, 2007
    Wow, ten seconds is a long time. I can't say as I've seen that long time. However, on my universal I can input a delay between button presses. I don't have any in my macros but it can be done.

    I don't know if any of the non PC programmables will do delays though.

  10. nuspieds

    nuspieds Legend

    Aug 9, 2008
    Wow, how annoying!

    I have one HR24-500, one HR20-700 and my HR24 has been behaving normally. After the HD GUI, I didn't notice any faster response from the HR24--but it was already fast, anyway. Response is definitely faster on the HR20 after the GUI upgrade.

    The only response degradation I am noticing on both boxes is Whole Home-related activities (starting play, deleting a recording). It's not horribly worse than before, but it is noticeable.
  11. Athlon646464

    Athlon646464 Gold Members DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    I'm using the macro capability on my remote for larger tasks (turning stuff on and off, lighting, setting inputs etc.) rather than just going through D*'s menu system, so I'm not sure how it would handle any delays.

    I'm sure it could be worked out, however.

    Navigating the menu system is not a big deal to me, even getting tot he 'To Do' list occasionally, so I haven't tried.
  12. cypherx

    cypherx Hall Of Fame

    Aug 27, 2010
    PA - Berks...
    Hmm, sort of like a QuickTune but for features. Maybe it would be cool if you could put features in QuickTune and not just limited to channels. A logo for manage recordings screen would fit nicely in there for me. And when other features come down the pipe, shortcuts to them as well.

    Thing is that QuickTune is user configurable. Maybe that is the route to go?
  13. squawk

    squawk Legend

    Mar 5, 2006
    Los Angeles

    Where did I ever request that the To Do or Managed Recordings feature be a single button press? Don't read into something that is not there. What is there is a suggestion/request that some menus be accessible without having to hit 5-7 buttons. Don't think that's asking too much.
  14. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    I think the narrow window defined by a method of spooling EPG data: after reboot any box would have guide data for 2 hours; showing days of EPG require gathering more data by many hours. So the Guide grid has static design. So far.
  15. Drucifer

    Drucifer Well-Known Member

    Feb 12, 2009
    NY Hudson...
    Like a QuickMgr
  16. bobcamp1

    bobcamp1 Icon

    Nov 8, 2007
    Tivo changed the shortcuts between their SD and HD models, but here's what I used all the time in the SD model.

    0 -- TiVo intro Animation (kids loved this)
    1 -- Season Pass Manager a.k.a. the Prioritizer
    2 -- To Do List
    3 -- WishList (Keyword) Search
    4 -- Search on Title only
    5 -- Browse by Channel
    7 -- Set Up Manual Recording
    8 -- TiVo Suggestions

    I think the new THR22 has those same shortcuts.

    D* could just use the Menu button. The Tivo button just takes you to "Tivo Central" which is their main menu. Once there, you press a number to use the shortcut.

    There's no reason why D* can't do the same. Currently, entering a number will change the channel in the small window. But since no channel begins with '0', it could be menu-0-2 for the To Do list. '0' could also be some other key, like '-' or one of the colored keys.
  17. cypherx

    cypherx Hall Of Fame

    Aug 27, 2010
    PA - Berks...
    Love it.

    Yeah a 3 x 3 grid of anything. Channels / feature shortcuts / etc..

    Push yellow or something to bring it up.
    Use the arrows to select the icon you want, or since it's a 3 x 3 grid a number key corresponding with the tile:
    1 2 3
    4 5 6
    7 8 9

    Or exit to dismiss the dialog.

    Now how to customize it, that is the question... Highlight the menu you want, press and hold yellow (or something) until a dialog comes up where you choose it's position in the 3 x 3 QuickMgr grid?
  18. RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2006
    Clearly it is because we've been asking for it for years and it hasn't happened.
  19. rmcii

    rmcii New Member

    Dec 2, 2009
    I have 2 HR21-700's with MRV, both running 0x04E2. This evening the secondary box (in the office) popped up a prompt for the HDGUI and my wife clicked through both prompts, at which point the box restarted. When it came back up, it was still running 0x04E2, but all the local recordings (and ToDo list, scheduled recordings, etc) are lost. (Strange note, the networking options were not lost, it knew I had incorrectly named the DVR "OFFICEG" instead of "OFFICE").

    Spoke to DTV CSR who was nice, and trying to be helpful kept wanting to try things on the primary box in the family room. After 2 hours of restarting both boxes multiple times, still no recovery on the HR21 in the office.

    Both boxes were more than half full (close to 80% full) of recordings, now half of that is lost. Is there any magic to recovering lost recordings on an HR21, or has anyone else had a similar issue with the HDGUI update?

    Extremely frustrated...
  20. gregftlaud

    gregftlaud Hall Of Fame

    Nov 20, 2005
    Too much yick-yack going on not related to the new HD GUI!!! :p
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