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HD picture quality... Native On/Off?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by carillon, Dec 27, 2010.

  1. Dec 30, 2010 #81 of 125
    wilbur_the_goose

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    Your set is probably unique.

    Example - I used a set of Panny VT25 settings (included service mode settings for white balance) that I found at avsforums.com. They were MUCH better than the out of the box settings. But the set really popped once I used a calibration DVD.
     
  2. Jan 7, 2011 #82 of 125
    mfreeman73

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    DTV guy came by today to fix something on my dish. While he was here he changed all my tv's to Native Off and resolution to 1080i. He said that having Native on with the other resolutions isn't good for the box and causes them to wear out quicker. First time I heard something like that. Anyone else heard anything like that?
     
  3. Jan 7, 2011 #83 of 125
    MysteryMan

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    That's bull. My HR22-100 has been running for over a year with Native ON. Why would they design a receiver with a feature that causes it to wear out?
     
  4. Jan 7, 2011 #84 of 125
    DogLover

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    LOL! Native on will cause resolution changes, which can take more time to change channels than people like. However, since it doesn't involve a mechanical process, I don't see how it could cause anything to wear out.
     
  5. Jan 7, 2011 #85 of 125
    veryoldschool

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    Don't tell my 4+ year old HR20 that since it's been in native from day one. :lol:
     
  6. Jan 7, 2011 #86 of 125
    hasan

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    I don't think it would cause anything in the sat box to wear out, but I have had TVs where you could hear a relay operating when it changed resolutions. I would have preferred solid state switches (whose lifetime in the the millions of cycles), and not have to worry about self-cleaning or corroding contacts in a relay.

    When I had a 720p TV, I set native off and ran fixed 720p. When I got a 1080p TV, I changed the sat boxes to Native. This TV doesn't use a relay, or if it does,l it is super quiet.
     
  7. Jan 7, 2011 #87 of 125
    TBlazer07

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    Maybe it's because the natives are getting restless?
     
  8. Jan 8, 2011 #88 of 125
    Rich

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    Nope. I've had every HR I've ever had in the "Native On" mode and I don't think it causes anything negative at all. Bull Thwacky!

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  9. Jan 8, 2011 #89 of 125
    Rich

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    Consider where he lives. Long Island, NY. The installers probably been on the job for a couple months and is actively job hunting. And probably a contractor to boot.

    Rich
     
  10. Jan 8, 2011 #90 of 125
    Rich

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    Probably doesn't get paid enough to live and doesn't have the time to really learn how these things work because he's out looking for a job that pays enough to live in the City.

    Rich
     
  11. Jan 8, 2011 #91 of 125
    Newshawk

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    I guess it's my tired old eyes. I run native off/720p out from my HR22 to a Sharp 32" LCD (720p native panel resolution) and it's good enough for me. Maybe when I upgrade the TV later this year...
     
  12. Jan 8, 2011 #92 of 125
    veryoldschool

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    This whole "on/off" all comes down to what you, the viewer like. What you like is right for you.
     
  13. Jan 8, 2011 #93 of 125
    Sixto

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    I've wondered what's best for a receiver attached to a 720p LCD.

    I've always used native OFF with "720p resolution + Pillar Box format".

    Have assumed that this is the best you can get with a 720p LCD TV.

    Thoughts?
     
  14. Jan 8, 2011 #94 of 125
    veryoldschool

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    That is what I use on the Vizio "720" TV. It's scaler isn't any better the the receiver's.
    My Sony has a better scaler so it is set with native on [also a 1080 display]
     
  15. Jan 8, 2011 #95 of 125
    Steve

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    Since your TV is native 720p, it doesn't have to reconvert anything coming from the HR at 720p, so I agree this is the best setting in theory, because it allows for faster channel changes.

    Only caveat is some folks have complained that the HR's pillar box is "taller" than normal. If it matters to you, you might want to compare HR pillar box with what your TV's pillar box setting looks like, if you were set to Native on, all resolutions.
     
  16. Jan 8, 2011 #96 of 125
    veryoldschool

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    :confused: Is this really a resolution issue or more likely a format issue between pillar box verses "original format", where the TV then handles these?
     
  17. Jan 8, 2011 #97 of 125
    Rich

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    I know this will be controversial, but I swear I can tell the difference between a 720p feed on my 720p plasmas and a 1080i feed on the same plasmas, on the same channel, set to Native On. The 1080i feed is just a bit better. And I get a pretty good picture using one of my BD players in 1080p on the 720ps set to Native On.

    But it's subjective, altho I have tried it on several people and they all picked the 1080i feed as being better than the 720p feed. Using the same channel.

    Rich
     
  18. Jan 8, 2011 #98 of 125
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    I have the antique, 2008, RP-HDTV Samsung LED DLP 61A750 with an Adapter installed in order to translate DTV's 3D signal to Checkerboard Mode. Anyway, why I comment here is because in the instructions for installing the necessary Adapter for my antique HDTV] it tells you to TURN OFF everything except for 1080P and I believe specifically says to turn off Native.
    This is what I have done..........BUT........truthfully don't know the specific reasons WHY, or what would happen IF I turned on Native etc.????

    TKS michael:confused:
     
  19. Jan 8, 2011 #99 of 125
    veryoldschool

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    "My guess" is that it doesn't handle any signal other than the 1080.
     
  20. Jan 8, 2011 #100 of 125
    Steve

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    Not a resolution issue, but a possible scaling issue that Hotat noted earlier in this thread, if I understood it correctly. I haven't had a chance to test it, tho. Could just be an anomaly with his particular display, and not something Sixto is going to have an issue with.
     

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