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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Dolly, Jun 13, 2007.
Well they defeated the NY Mets today 11 to 8 :sunsmile: But the game wasn't on TV
Well the only HD I know is HD-Lite. So you can miss what you have never seen :lol: My husband has already become an HD Snob
He was at work when the install was done yesterday. He watched it last night. And now today he is watching ANYTHING that happens to be in HD !rolling
Assuming your new set has 1080i you have full HD. HD-lite refers to shows that are broadcast at 720p (some sporting events) and stuff like Northern Exposure, Charmed, and other pre-HD reruns are at 720p. Want a real Wow factor in full HD, check out Sunrise Earth on the HD Discovery channel!
I believe it is called HD lite because Directv uses 1280x1080 instead of 1920x1080 which is full HD.
After a long fight, HD Lite is:
When the 1920 x 1080 image has 1/3 of the pixels removed, compressing the image into a very distorted 1280 x 1080 size, that is what is sent through the data stream, then gets scaled back to the 1920 x 1080 image.
There are a third of the pixels removed at one end & those are "guessed at" on the other end to make the full [undistorted] 1920 x 1080 image that you see.
720p is not HD Lite. ABC HD, ESPN HD, ESPN 2 HD, A&E HD, FOX HD and National Geographic HD all broadcast in 1280 x 720p. DirecTV dumbs down 1080i content from 1920 x 1080i to 1280 x 1080i.
Yankees were on YES HD today, I watched the game, and it's unfortunate outcome. I'm watching the game on FOX HD and hopefully the Red Sox can keep it up for another inning and a half so the Yanks won't gain anymore ground.
See ^^^^ for the "full story" as nobody is seeing a 1280 x 1080 image, since the aspect ratio would look like crap.
Yep I just read it. No matter how it's sliced, I still think it's a complete disgrace what DirecTV does to HD though, hense why they lost my business.
So you know nothing about MPEG-4, since you're no longer getting D*?
I have never had HD service with DirecTV. Last year when I got my HDTV I switched back to cable. Between $700 for the soon to be obsolete HD DTiVo, a very limited HD selection and HD Lite it only made sense. And with all the problems I read here every day about DirecTVs inhouse DVRs, and the fact my SA8300s have been nothing but rock solid and all my HD channels are in their actual resolutions, I have made the right choice.
Yep, that'll happen.
You've been HD'd.
I came over to D* & HD about four years ago.
I completely understand your "position".
My Sony HD SAT 200 cost me $800 for a non recorder & didn't work right until replaced with the 300.
I "stuck it out", & have had good luck since Feb. with my free HR-20s, & H-20s.
I don't recommend a provider & leave everyone to decide that for themselves, as it may be good experience or not.
BTW: Cable is using HD lite too.
Proof? I've never heard any cable system using HD Lite, and I know my TW system isn't. I can pull up the hidden diagnostic pages and see real time info on resolutions and bitrates and everything looks as it should. TW places no more than two HD channels per the same QAM frequency, so there is no reason to remanufacture the resolution and with SDV here, there is no reason to have to conserve bandwidth.
Not all cable systems do, but some do. It varies per market. If yours doesn't I'm jealous.
Not quite as many posts :lol: but guess I changed over to HD a little before V.O.S.
My intro started Fathers Day 2002 with the Sony HD-100 for about $500 on an "open box" purchase. Matched it up with a new 51" Sony projection monitor (K5140-HD capable, no internal tuner) along with the 3 lnb D service that I had .
If I remember correctly I had 5 or 6 channels of HD at that time. ESPN-HD coming online was THE ONE that made me take the plunge. VOOM was the new big thing around that time promising to deliver HD like no one else. Guess they missed the mark with their high upfront costs to purchase equipment.
The only channels added since then were my HD locals in the Boston market in January 2006. ESPN2, TNT and NFL Sunday Ticket were later additions that helped make the 9.99 fee for HD somewhat palatable. Luckily I moved and my new/current market has HD locals.....hopefully everyone will be on board with theirs come the activation of D10 and 11.
Hopefully September of 2007 will bring much needed additional HD broadcasters (notice I did not add HD content ).
It has been a long and dissapointing road (IMHO) so far, but the last 12-18 months have shown improvements in not only rhetoric from D and supporters but more consistant performance and a slight increase in HD offerings.
Now if they can only start to rollout software fixes for the H20 at more than one every 12 months........
I never had a problem with my SATHD200.
Mine would crash whenever it felt like it. Also the reason for the 300 was a mismatch of decoder with what D* changed to so SD looked REALLY bad. I got this from the Sony engineering group [and why the short run of the -200]. As My Sony HD ready RPTV started to fail after 3 1/2 years [with no replacement parts available] I discussed this with a "higher up" in customer service who agreed that the -200 didn't turn out as they had hoped and why they needed to bring out the 200 so soon.
My "time" with my 300 was as good it seems as you had with your 200. I wish I had your experience, but didn't, until the 300.
The HD "experience" has be a rocky road as it comes into the market place.
When D* first came out with MPEG-4 locals here, I had to move to the H20, but didn't want to repeat what had taken 18 months to "clean up" nor did I want to spend any more money as I felt I'd spent enough for HD.
Well the "trip" was turned into a repeat of my Sony, but D* has been nice enough to give me the hardware, and with the improvements in the HR-20, has finally "improved" my HD experience too.
Now if we can just get more content. They have dangled the carrot for a long time & maybe soon we'll get it.
All of HD is still evolving, with bumps, chuck holes, and a few dead ends, before we find the smooth highway to cruse.
Thank god for DBSTalk & all of the help.
BTW: did you all know that only about one out of 80 members pay the $15/year to support this place?
40,000+ registered members, but only 500+ paid club members?
How much do we pay for HD, & how much help do we get here?
You decide what you think is fair.
I agree a 100% with you about DBStalk. If I did not find it I don't know what I would have done. I got my R15's back in January of 2006 and my H20's back in May of 2006. Had some problems but did not know what to do so I let it go. Then when I heard about the HR20's coming soon I started doing some searching for information about them and thank god I found this site. I got my HR20's back in September and if it was not for this site and all the great members here I don't know what I would have done. As far as the $15 goes it was worth every penny and I won't have any problem paying it again. I just want to say thanks to Earl, Tom, Chris, and all the members here that has help myself and everyone else.
It's true !rolling :heart: But what is this about HD and HD-Lite It makes me think of that old beer commerical--less filling, more taste :lol:
Long story with several twists and turns, but basically "less filling, more channels". The OTA stations, satellite, and cable companies use a couple of means to further reduce the amount of data allowed for a channel. All of which allow more digital channels, but compromise the picture of each somewhat.
So we get more channels, but they aren't as good as they could be.