HDMI Cables

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  1. jrb531

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    A few years ago I was at CompUSA and buying a $20 cable. The guy knew me and gave me it for the employee price (near cost) and the darn thing came out to about $2!

    The markup for cables is HUGE! Not maybe a $100 cable is better than a $10 one but no way $90 better.

    Some people in this work equate $$$ with better quality. You can take two identical items and put them in the same box and label one a "standard" for $10 and the second with "Premium" and charge $20.

    A good percentage of the population will buy the $20 cable because it has to be better because it costs more :)

    -JB
     
  2. harsh

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    Where do you think these stores make their money? Shoppers don't usually check prices on the accessories so they soak them in the excitement of not being able to use their new acquisition without the extras. I've seen people sold into AV receivers to support two HDMI devices on a TV with only one HDMI input.
     
  3. RLMesq

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    I worked as a commissioned salesperson while in college some 25 years ago, and made about $35K a year, part time. Although I think BB and CC now pay an hourly wage (which is nowhere near what I made, even without an adjustment for inflation), the managers, I believe, are still paid on a similar commission scale.

    I was paid on gross profit dollars (or "jeeps," the difference between dealer cost and the sales price). The more jeeps you generated for the store, the higher the percentage you got paid... up to 23% of gross profit dollars for a top salesperson.

    Most accessories, like Monster Cable, were 75% gross profit... which would mean 75 jeeps on a hundred dollar cable. Most TV and video was about 20%, so the salesperson had to sell $375 worth to generate the same 75 jeeps.

    Extended warranties are high profit items, too -- and my college employer required a certain percentage of a salesperson's total volume to be extended warranty sales (I think it was seven percent). We had a VCR with a clear plastic case to show people all of the moving parts and scare them into buying a warranty. Keep in mind that VHS Hi-Fi was a new technology, and people where paying $800 in 1983 dollars for a top of the line Panasonic VCR that would cost you a couple hundred, tops, in current inflated currency.

    Finally, there were "spiffs," which were a bonus commission on certain items. One $20 video head cleaner had a five dollar spiff, so everybody tried to sell one of those with a new VCR.

    Bottom line -- I think the big performance difference between Monster Cable and Monoprice (which I use) is:

    1) Monster Cable stuff has great looking packaging, compared to the simple bags from Monoprice

    2) If part of the cable run is exposed and your friends are geeks, they might be impressed when they recognize the pretty design on the shielding of Monster Cable, and

    3) If you go to a San Francisco 49ers game, or see one on TV, you can feel important that you provided part of the money to buy the naming rights to Candlestick Park.
     
  4. vlhgsd

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    I went today to look at hdmi cables for the 722 dvr. Guy at circuit city told me to save myself the money. Says that the component cables look just as good with tv/satellite. So what's the real deal? My dvd player isn't hdmi compatible, no xbox or ps3, so do I really need one?
     
  5. Marriner

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    I am another huge monoprice fan. i have bought hdmi -> dvi cables, hdmi-hdmi cables, digital audio cables (coaxial), digital audio cables (optical), speaker wire, and component video cables. I have never been disappointed in any of my Monoprice purchases.
     
  6. Marriner

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    i have both hdmi and component cables hooked up to my westy. I came in today and noticed background noise on a black screen. I found out that my sister had changed the tv input from hdmi to component. When i switched back to hdmi, the noise dissappeared. HDMI is superior to component in PQ.
     
  7. HobbyTalk

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    It all depends on your equipment. Some have said that their component looks better then using HDMI. Some say different. Expert opinions are that it all depends on the equipment on both ends of the cable. Some info:

    http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/122868.html
    http://www.tomsguide.com/us/2007/09/11/hdmi_vs_component/
    http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/13/hdmi-vs-component/
     
  8. aim2pls

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    items a comsumer MUST get:
    1) MONSTER CABLES > great profit items
    2) HDMI cables ... the high the price the better > great profit items
    3) EXTENDED warrentees > FANTASTIC profit items
     
  9. dougmcbride

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    If you're interested in a moderately detailed (but interesting) discussion of HDMI and HDMI cables, check out http://www.bluejeanscable.com and look at the HDMI section. Good, informative read. They also do excellent cables of all kinds at a reasonable price.
     
  10. jpos832

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    ya'll slay me.. you'll spend thousands of dollars on home theatre equipment trying to get the "perfect" picture and then piss and moan about the price of cables, and even go out and buy the bargain bin specials. do ya even realize that the weakest link in any home theatre system is the cabling? i guess though, if your satisfied with the "great" PQ ya get when ya try to save a couple bucks.. more power to ya.

    also ... extended service plans or warrenties are kind of hit or miss. ive had experiences goin both ways. most of the time, the extra protection has come in handy though.. sure they might be huge profits for the stores, but most of the time when my electronics have broke down on me.. i was covered and didnt have to shell out even more of my money for replacements. i would definetly rather spend another 400$ with my 3500$ tv and not have to worry if it breaks in the next 4 years then "save" the 400$ upfront and have to spend another 3500$ in 3.5 years down the road cause something went wrong with my LCD. it might be a long shot, but oh well.. again, were pissin and moanin over less then 10% of the total price of just the tv. and more times then not, if ya do get the extended service plans you'll have greater flexability with the sales staff in negotiating special deals...
     
  11. HobbyTalk

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    Extended service plans are the largest profit center for a store. They make more on them then they do the actual sale. Why? Because the chance of a customer using them is very slim.

    Failure rates are under 3% during the first 5 years. 50% of those failures happen within the first 90 days which would be covered under the standard 1 year warranty.

    So if 100 are sold, the warranty brings in $400,000. Lets go WAY overboard here and say they have to completely replace 5 or those sets at a cost of $20000. They still make $380,000.

    Sorry, buying a service agreement is a big mistake IMHO. The customer will always lose in the long run.
     
  12. seajohn

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    Deep color is not included in Blu-ray's specs, nor is it in HD DVD specs. You'll have to wait for a future HDV format to watch a deep color source.
     
  13. msmith198025

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    Look if you are going to criticize our advice at least know what you are talking about. when it comes to HDMI cables(not component, composite or, s-video) the price of the cable does NOT mean quality. Dont you think most of the people on here are giving advice based on personal experience?
    :nono2:
     
  14. mtnsackett

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    Msmith is correct
    I have not seen anyone else post this fact but all HDMI cable makers are liscensed by the HDMI.Org the Owners of HDMI technology and must pass their testing to be on the makret. so one is just as good as the others I have a Monster cable that BB gave me with my tv and some I purchesesd from Mycablemart.com and there is No picture differance between the 2 and I have a PS# and a lg HDDVD/ blueray player
     
  15. T.A.C

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    I'm sure this has been beaten to death already... With Monster cables you will get slightly better quality of materials used; however, the difference between their product and ones found just about anywhere else are marginal at best.
     
  16. tnsprin

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    Not all HDMI cable is certified to HDMI.org's standards, and not all certified to the same standard(class). But some excellent low price cable is.
     
  17. LinkNuc

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    Actually you are correct, my bad. PS3 games have the only chance and as we have seen PS3 is pretty much an aweful video Game Console...so yeah scratch the deep color worry, my bad.
     
  18. Scotty_T

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    On my 722 dvr, the picture / sound quality is noticibly better with the HDMI cable instead of the component.
     
  19. Leprechuan

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    I need HDMI cable, I'm a bit confused.
    For a 6 foot HDMI cable from Momnoprice.com what do I order?
    I have seen a few different type of HDMI cable so I want to make sure I get the right one.

    Also, what cable to get I get for the Digital Optical output for my current DVD player?
     
  20. tnsprin

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    Almost any they have are fine. Some are rated for in wall (do you need that). Your are probably better with some of those certified class 2 (which is recommended for newer hdmi 1.3a features, but not needed with a Dish receiver). I see they have some quite reasonable that are certified.
     
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