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HDNET v. DIRECTV Application for Restraining Order

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Doug Brott, Nov 7, 2007.

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  1. Nov 7, 2007 #21 of 473
    Milominderbinder2

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    I had not thought about the fact that there are HD channels with no SD counterpart that are not in the HD Extra Package, in particular Discovery HD Theater owned by Malone!

    In addition, these are HD channels without an SD counter part that are not in the HD Extra Package:

    Food HD* (231-1)
    HGTV HD* (229-1)

    I also never thought about how DIRECTV was using the 101 concerts to compete with HDNet movies...

    If you have not read it the restraining order is pretty straight forward to read.

    - Craig
     
  2. Nov 7, 2007 #22 of 473
    cadet502

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    It would be easier to accept HD "access" as not being a tier if there were no channels included that did not have a 1 to 1 SD equivalent. There are at least 4 channels that do not have a 1 to 1.
     
  3. Nov 7, 2007 #23 of 473
    Doug Brott

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    Technically, it's just an application for a restraining order .. :grin:
     
  4. Nov 7, 2007 #24 of 473
    PoitNarf

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    Curiouser and curiouser...
     
  5. Nov 7, 2007 #25 of 473
    loganbay

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    OK. Am I missing somthing. Wasn't hd net always tied to a package sperate to any other programming and if so hasn't D* just changed the name of that package and lowered the price of it and then created a new "HD package" and charged $9.99 a month for it. So if the contract does tie it to a package that either has changed names or is no longer available, what leg is HDNet standing on?
     
  6. Nov 7, 2007 #26 of 473
    cadet502

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    I think they are standing on the "most widely distributed" part of that clause. If you need HD access to get HD Extra, then HD Extra cannot be more widely distributed.
     
  7. Nov 7, 2007 #27 of 473
    apexmi

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    I think this may be why they changed for HD Package to HD access. Extra pak will qualify as a Tier but HD access probably does not...
     
  8. Nov 7, 2007 #28 of 473
    GregLee

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    I can't? That's not obvious. I do get the HD channels (other than sports tier ones), and looking at my bill, I see no HD access fee item. There is only "PLUS HD DVR Monthly", which perhaps in some sense includes HD access. Or perhaps not.

    I've read here about getting HDNET as part of the "HD Bonus Pack" free until Dec. 15, but I do get HDNET, and there is nothing about any HD Bonus Pack on my bill. When I signed up for DTV around 10/20, HDNET was listed as part of the package I got, and I saw nothing on the DTV web site about an HD Bonus Pack.

    Needless to say, if I stop getting HDNET 12/15, I'm going to be pretty irritated.
     
  9. Nov 7, 2007 #29 of 473
    carl6

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    HDNets argument claims that much more is involved than the mere number of subscribers they are paid for in one package versus the other, and that in fact a TRO is essential to prevent loss of viewership. Without it, during the time their channels are not available, those viewers who do not upgrade will most likely not return to watching HDNet even if HDNet prevails and is later returned to the normal HD tier. Thus an irrecoverable degree of damage justifying the TRO.

    It will be interesting to see what happens.

    Carl
     
  10. Nov 7, 2007 #30 of 473
    CJTE

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    The Plus HD DVR base package INDLUDES the DVR Service fee or 5.99 (you may or may not see the service and it being credited back to your account) and the HD Access Pass (you may or may not see the service and it being credited back to your account).

    You will have to purchase the HD Extra Pack seperately from your base package.
     
  11. Nov 7, 2007 #31 of 473
    Doug Brott

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    Carl .. Yes, that is in Paragraph #50 (page 14). I was getting ready to post the same thing.
     
  12. Nov 7, 2007 #32 of 473
    Earl Bonovich

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    PLUS HD DVR Monthly, Includes the HD Access... but does not include the HD Extra Pack.

    Well... then get your irritation out now, because you will not be getting HDNet on 12/15 unless you have the HD Extra Pack (unless something changes between now and then)
     
  13. Nov 7, 2007 #33 of 473
    Ken S

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    Greg,

    You will either stop getting it or begin getting charged an extra fee for the HD Extra package. Check the DirecTV website for more details.
     
  14. Nov 7, 2007 #34 of 473
    Ken S

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    Carl,

    I understand that...just not sure the Judge will go for it. But, as I said, if he does and grants a TRO it's a very strong sign about which way he's leaning on the facts.
    Interesting that HDNet requested a jury trial...I'm surprised that DirecTV's contracts don't mandate non-jury trials.
     
  15. Nov 7, 2007 #35 of 473
    bhelton71

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    I am trying hard to get their point in this - I am sure most of the new HD channels make most of their money (profits) off of their SD channels. Since they ( and the other channels in the new 'package' ) don't have SD counterparts that would severely limit them. But - do they even sell advertising ? Do any of those channels have advertising ?

    So to me they end up coming across like Al Gore inventing the 'worldwide net web'.

    I would guess while most people would enjoy at least some of their programming - it probably wasn't reason #1 to buy an HDTV. I know personally for myself, I certainly didn't get Directv w/ HD to watch HDNet. I have only watched possibly 24 hours of programming on both HDNet and the movie channel in the 2+ years that I have had the HD package ( or whatever it is called now ). My motivation was ESPNHD and an HR10 DVR for my locals off air.
     
  16. Nov 7, 2007 #36 of 473
    say-what

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    I got curious and found these press releases from DirecTV & HDNet

    Couldn't find DirecTV press releases from 2001, but it's probably identical.

    Not sure when the $10.99 HD Package fee became the $9.99 HD Access Fee. This will all be interesting to watch as it plays out in the courts. With about a year left on the current carriage agreement, I wonder if this isn't related to negotiations of a new agreement that might have grown contentious over carriage fees.
     
  17. Nov 7, 2007 #37 of 473
    gdn

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    For those of you that say you didn't know who or what HDNET was before you got HD Directv - you probably just didn't know it when you saw it. HDNet is one of the things that sold me on HD and possibly you too in reality. If I remember correctly its been as many as 4 or 5 years ago when I'd go into a Circuit City and look at HD TV's - they always had HDNet on them. It was the jaw dropping picture that always captured my attention - and thanks to HDNet for their picture quality I couldn't wait to get HD and stay with Directv so I could get it at home. I'm sure there are others in that same boat.

    So HDNet has probably sold many TV's and many people on HD/Directv. I don't watch it day in and day out, but I like their programming and hope they work it out to leave it in a package without extra charge. If they don't then I'm ready to jump on the ala carte programming band wagon. My bill may stay the same or even go up if I choose just the channels I want to watch, but I'm really tired of subsidizing the 100 plus channels I don't want to watch. I'd rather my dollar support the type of programming I want to see and more of it - than some of what I want to see and a whole lot that I don't.
     
  18. Nov 7, 2007 #38 of 473
    GregLee

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    I don't doubt it. I didn't bring this up because I thought anyone would be interested in whether I have to pay an extra fee, but rather because it seemed relevant to the discussion of "tier" vs. "package" vs. "access". It was being argued, I thought, that HD apart from HDNET was not a "tier" or "package" because the HD access fee was just something everyone who got HD had to pay. I was questioning the truth of this. DTV may follow some internal accounting practice that apportions $10 of what I pay them as an HD access fee, or $5, or whatever they like. But if I was never told about such a fee, it's not in their promotional literature, and it's not on my bill, it seems irrelevant to me to this question of whether HDNET will be put into a second HD tier.
     
  19. Nov 7, 2007 #39 of 473
    islander66

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    The way I read it, HDNet is supposed to be in the normal HD package, not some extra tier.

    That's also what I thought I paid for when I signed up on a 2 year contract.

    I think new subscribers will shy away from the extra HD fee.

    I also think HD Net has a strong case.
     
  20. Nov 7, 2007 #40 of 473
    Earl Bonovich

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    It all depends on what is the definition of a "package"

    You can have HD Access...
    But:
    If you don't have HBO Package... you don't have HBO-HD
    If you don't have the extended sports Package... you don't have the other RSN's in HD

    And you can have the basic of basic packages that includes locals, and you will have HD Locals

    IMHO... I don't see many new subscribers shying away from the $4.99 HD Extra Pack... why? They are spending $9.99 on the HD Access package... they just paid for the HD-DVR or HD Recievrs, got that new HD DTV... at the end of the day... what another $5 a month to get those other channels.

    ESPECIALLY if most get them free for the first 3 months, and can try it out and see the content on HDNet, Smithsonian and MGM.

    I also don't see a massive INFLUX of people dropping the package when the trial is up...
     
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