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Hearst Owned Stations Carriage May Be Discontinued

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by dlt, Dec 11, 2010.

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  1. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    You do not have to ask a CSR for a waiver. If you cannot get NBC, and DirecTv drops it from your locals, you can request the waiver from the TV stations engineering dept. And I would suggest doing it in person, or it will be denied. Be prepared with graphs from TVFool showing the channels coverage at your location if you are in a grade B area on the TV stations FCC filing.

    If the waiver is denied, and you actually cannot get it with a full gain outdoor antenna at a reasonable height (i.e. from the roof of your house), you can appeal the waiver denial, but will have to pay to have a signal analysis performed by a third party.
     
  2. ffemtreed

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    I was told by DTV in the past that you had to go through them for the waiver since they would be providing the alternate channel. That is the process I followed before when DTV didn't offer my locals. I filled out the online form and a couple hours later I had the east coast feeds of the locals in HD.
     
  3. Davenlr

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    DirecTv files the waiver with your local station. Its much easier to do so in person, and then, if approved, sent the DNS department at DirecTv a copy of the waiver, which they will verify with the TV station.

    Several different roads, all lead to the same place. Our locals automatically denied all requests from DirecTv if the subscriber is in a grade B area before we got them from DirecTv. Requesting them in person, from the engineer, allows you to plead your case, explain what antenna's you have tried, etc.
     
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    What is considered a signal grade B area?? Is this defined somewhere?

    This great information is taken from the FCC website. I am glad they are very clear on things like this. Typical govt B.S.


    9. What is a Grade B signal?

    A: The Grade B signal intensity is an FCC-defined measurement of the strength of a television station’s signal as received at a specific location. Generally, a Grade B signal will provide a television picture that is "acceptable" for viewing purposes. SHVIA requires that the FCC initiate a proceeding that will result in a submission of findings to Congress concerning whether the Grade B signal standard should be modified or replaced by some other standard that would be more appropriate for determining whether a household is unserved. On May 26, 2000, the FCC issued a Notice of Inquiry ("Notice") seeking information and comment that will be used as a basis for this submission. The Notice is designated as "FCC 00-184" and can be downloaded from the link above or, you may purchase a copy from Qualex International at 202-863-2893.
     
  5. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    Go to Http://www.w9wi.com

    Click on TV database by STATE

    Click on your state

    Scroll down to your NBC stations city, and click on the stations call letters

    This will bring up a Grade B contour map. If you are inside of the blue lines, you will have to prove you cannot get the station.

    If your stations call letters are listed more than once, use the one listed as DT-LIC
    or DT-STA depending on whether your station is running its licensed power, or has been approved to run higher power under the STA.
     
  6. ffemtreed

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    Thanks!!! looks like I am right on the blueline. I was able to get this station when it was analog, but since they went digital VHF its been non existent anywhere near my house.
     
  7. Davenlr

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    WBAL?
     
  8. ffemtreed

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    Yep, WBAL
     
  9. Davenlr

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    They will probably run the test using this antenna (or similar from another manufacturer):
    http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.as...d-VHF-TV-Antenna--(Y10713)&c=TV Antennas&sku=

    combined with a 35db preamp, at 30' elevation (average roof)...just so you know in advance. If you have a UHF only antenna, that right there will cause issues.

    FWIW, using the above antenna, with a preamp, I can pick up stations 40 miles past the blue line with no problems, even over some big hills.

    The problem with WBAL being VHF, is most antennas are geared toward UHF, and their VHF sections provide little to no gain at all, just enough to claim they "cover" vhf. You might need the above antenna and a preamp for WBAL, and combine it with a VHF/UHF combiner to your current antenna.

    BUT, if you are outside the line, you shouldnt have any issues getting a waiver.
     
  12. ffemtreed

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    This is the antenna I have mounted to a telephone pole about 40 feet in the air. I have a preamp and distribution amp on it. Ran new RG6 quad shield and tried multiple tuners to get WBAL and I can't even sniff any signal.

    http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.as...Series-TV-Antenna-(CM3679)&c=TV Antennas&sku=

    Hopefully they will just give me the waiver, but I have a bad feeling that during this dispute they aren't going to be giving out waivers to direct tv customers. My wife is going to be super PO'd about losing NBC.
     
  13. Davenlr

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    Dont tell em you are a DirecTv customer. Matter of fact, just apply to the station for a waiver now, before the cutoff.

    That antenna is a good one, but only rated for 50 miles. If you cant get ANY signal tho, I doubt a bigger (maybe 3db gain more) antenna would fix your problem. No other NBC stations in range from another direction maybe?
     
  14. ffemtreed

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    Nope, I tried turning the antenna toward the Washington DC affiliate and Norfolk VA but that didn't get me anywhere.
     
  15. Davenlr

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    Wow, that is amazing. I didnt think anywhere on the East Coast would be devoid of a major network. FWIW, and to keep the wife happy, *IF* everything else fails, NBC HD is free and in the clear on KU satellite AMC 1, but would require a $295 receiver (which can DVR), and an approx 4' to 6' dish ($100-$200). It is also available in SD on C band, but the dish would have to be 6' to 10'.
     
  16. ffemtreed

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    Thanks for the info. I doubt I will spend the money for another dish, but at least its an option.

    The problem is that our local DMA doesn't have an NBC affiliate. For part of our DMA DTV gave us the Baltimore locals and for the other 1/2 they just got our local CBS/ABC and FOX and I think they are piping in an NBC station from philly to fill the missing network. (we just got our real locals within the past month).
     
  17. psunate77

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    Again, if I miss the Penn State game, I will be pissed and may even consider leaving DTV after hockey season.
     
  18. cnmurray8

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    I just noticed on Hearst stations WMUR and WCVB in the Boston market they no longer have the Directv notice on the top of the web page. Maybe good news?
     
  19. seern

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    Our local NBC station, a RayComm station, still is showing the warning.
     
  20. cjrleimer

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    Possibly id wait until there is a press release from Hearst or D.
     
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