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help adding a 5th dvr

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by steelerfanmike, Dec 24, 2011.

  1. doctrsnoop

    doctrsnoop Godfather

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    If the CSR gets the report right, and the installer gets it right, you should be getting a SWM16 which has 2 SWM ports each of which can handle up to 4 DVR's/8 Tuners, plus 4 older legacy ports, which are the equivalent of the 4 sat tones from the dish.

    BTW, I had your Sony and the picture turned yellowish. There was a silent recall/upgrade to a LCD screen. I ended up trashing it and Sony sent me an LCD instead.
     
  2. steelerfanmike

    steelerfanmike Legend

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    Mine turned greenish and they sent a tech out and replaced the whole guts never had a problem since. About 3 yrs now
     
  3. steelerfanmike

    steelerfanmike Legend

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    is this all I would need, and something I could do myself? Or does something need to be changed on the dish also?

    ebay item # 230694479141
     
  4. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    A legacy system has a "fixed" attenuation, and adding splitters between the dish and switches, knocks the signal down about 5 dB "or so". Given 3 dB is a 50% reduction, you're kind of starting out in the hole "on a good day", so rainfade is only gong to be worse.

    With a SWiM, there is a lot of loss on the output between the SWiM and the receivers, "so" the SWiM has an AGC that will add up to 15 dB of gain, when the signal from the dish drops, to maintain the -30 dBm output level.
    While heavy rain will still drop the levels beyond what the 15 dB of gain will do, it should reduce the length and amount of rainfade, compared to a legacy system without any gain, and some extra loss due to splitters needed to feed two switches.
     
  5. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    That item # doesn't do anything for me, "but" something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zinwell-leg...253?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256ab68055
     
  6. steelerfanmike

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    thanks for all the info !!!!! I guess I'm getting SWM ! LOL thanks guys
     
  7. steelerfanmike

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    Well just got off the phone.... Just as I thought.. They said I have the setup already! because I have the whole home DVR service already. I set it up my self about 5 yrs ago with you guys, before they charge us.
    If they cancel it and I reorder it again they will come out and install the SWM for 199.00 plus something else they can't tell cause I still have whole home activated. See this is why I don't like talking to CSR cause most of us now more than them.
     
  8. veryoldschool

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    Not sure who here knows more.
    MRV/whole home first came out [as in pay for it] back in April of '10, so five years ago, and was in beta only a year before that, so...
    When you've gone "unsupported", how the hell can someone blame DirecTV's CSRs for their system not working correctly for your account?

    "Anyway", since you seem to be in a real DIY mode, you've got the links to what you'll need and can get things rolling.
    "BTW" since you have so many DVRs, look for the 4-way splitters instead of using the 8-ways. This will improve your signal levels by more than 3 dB, and you'll never need/use all the ports of an 8-way. I'd go with three DVRs on one output and two on the other.
     
  9. steelerfanmike

    steelerfanmike Legend

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    My account works fine !!!!!! its you guys pushing me to get the swm..
    and yes it may have been only two years ago but seemed like 5. and yes I helped test it too,if you want to call my feed back to this forum (testing)
    SORRY MR. PERFECT... and by the way MOST CSR read from scripts
     
  10. Shades228

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    You need to take a deep breath. VoS didn't say you did anything wrong he simply stated that if you're using an unsupported method and MRV is already turned on then agents can't place an order for it because it's on. We're not pushing you to do anything we're just telling you the best way to do something based on our opinion. You can ignore it and do the 2 6x8 but realise that you're going to have more issues with signal strengths.

    Call back and tell them that you want to remove the unsupported MRV flag and change it to no MRV so that you can order the regular MRV upgrade.

    However I'm not sure why you're ordering MRV unless you want MRV. All you need to do is order the 5th HD DVR. The tech will have to use a SWM 16 because they don't have 6x16's anymore and cannot daisy chain 2 6x8s.
     
  11. steelerfanmike

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    Yeah,guess ur right... The problem is I already have the dvr in storage and didn't tell them yet. I just asked for help with rain fade. I asked for a swm to help boost the signal,they want me to pay the 199 for something I already have.
    Thats why I want to do this my self. Guess I'm not up to snuff with this all this swm,Or i'd do it all my self.
    I appreciate the feed back don't want to make my setup get worse. I'm listening to you guys and trying to improve my setup.
    The reason I have all the dvr's is for the hard drive on all of them,we all share stuff and no one records the same thing. I'm kinda stuck right now cause all the ports are taken. (8) and I can't afford the 199
     
  12. Shades228

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    Just call them and order an installation of a customer owned HD DVR. It will cost you $49 and the tech will bring everything that's needed. Just make sure you let them know it's going in a new room.

    You can always run a cat 5 cable to that room or at a later time call up and request some DECA's since you'll already have a SWM.
     
  13. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Well the last post before your minor blowup, was a link to ebay and you going to go that direction. Seems like for less than $100, you would be doing this yourself.
    You already have a WB68, so swapping in a SWiM-16 and a couple of splitters, wouldn't be that tough.

    [​IMG]

    As for the DirecTV system, I have supported MRV, due to having DECAs, "but" my account online was never showing my options correctly. This didn't change until I had an installer come out for a mover's connection. "It seems" their handhelds make the correct changes to a customer's system, and enter in the validation codes, which is when the DirecTV system then shows everything correctly.
     
  14. steelerfanmike

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    SORRY, and thanks very much for the diagram. Like I said I'm not familiar with sws.

    Will I still have to run two wires to all the drv's still? Or will I have to reconfigure the receivers and disconnect one wire from each receiver.

    I use over the air alot and tv apps daily so I'm going to keep the cat 45 going to each receiver. So no need for deca
     
  15. veryoldschool

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    Change the diagram to 4-ways splitters [as I posted earlier] and then you only use one coax to each receiver [which is why it's call SWiM, Single Wire Multi-switch].
    You can keep all your cat5 cabling in place, and if you want use the extra coax for OTA, or spares or, :shrug:
    "If you ever" want to move to the DECA, you'll have everything in place and either add the white DECAs or activate the internal DECAs in the H/HR24/25/HR34, etc.
     

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