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HELP - I think my wife is blind!

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by bairdjc, Oct 25, 2007.

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  1. bairdjc

    bairdjc Legend

    Sep 22, 2005

    thanks for the input but sitting 5 feet away is not feasible and would likely give me a headache :lol:
  2. Taco Lover

    Taco Lover Icon

    Jan 8, 2007
    The only cure for that headache is getting a bigger HDTV! :up:

    It's true, though, sitting distance matters. A certain size screen (say your 37") will look better the further you are away. But, too far won't look as great either. We sit 11.5 feet away from our 55" Sony SXRD. Awesome picture.
  3. tomcrown1

    tomcrown1 Hall Of Fame

    Jan 16, 2006
    Another thing to consider is what we are used to in picture quailty

    IE (now I will give my age away) when I worked retail in the early days of VCR most of the customer I sold the darn thing to returned the unit because of bad picture quailty. Two years forward and the same customers would swear they could not see the difference between the picture from a vcr or over the air tv.

    Have your wife watch HDTV programs for two months and then show her programs in SD and watch as she complains about how bad sd picture is.
  4. bairdjc

    bairdjc Legend

    Sep 22, 2005
    I completely know what you're talking about - distance works in our favor when SD comes up and a few feet closer you start to notice the blotchiness (pixelation) of the picture.

    When I bought the 37" the size was primarily dictated by the fact that it had to fit in an armoire. I could go to a 42" but that would be pushing it.
  5. DStroyer

    DStroyer AllStar

    May 8, 2007
    Unfortunately, she's with the majority. I know about 8 people who can't tell the difference between SD and HD.

    Ever hear those commercials on the radio (I know, everybody hates radio, blah blah blah) where they're screaming about a bar night at a local establishment? "Catch ALL the games on our 25 plasma TV's!!!!" After going to some of these bar nights, those commercials should scream, "CATCH ALL THE GAMES ON OUR 25 PLASMA TV's WITH BASIC, BLURRY, STANDARD-DEFINITION CABLE CHANNELS STRETCHED TO FILL THE SCREEEEEEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

    Same old thing. I'll sometimes ask, "Don't you guys have this channel in HD?" And get, "Ummmmm, yeah. They're plasma TV's. They're HD." And, that's when I say, "Just leave the bottle here" :nono2:
  6. DStroyer

    DStroyer AllStar

    May 8, 2007
    Yeah, that's another campaign the HDTV camp has to get behind... Husbands have to encourage their wives to sell that beautiful armoire that's been handed down through the family since the early 1800's, and get a big screen-appropriate TV stand :D
  7. JohnL

    JohnL Icon

    Apr 1, 2002

    You got that right. My wife wanted to get rid of the Entertainment center in our living room. So I got a 50 Inch Plasma, mounted to the wall, with a small cabinet for the electronics. WOW, my wife loves our living room now, it seems much bigger even with the 50 inch display, BTW our last TV was a 26 inch CRT.

  8. texaswolf

    texaswolf Hall Of Fame

    Oct 18, 2007
    i was in the same boat brother...went from 27" CRT to 56" DLP...sooooo niiiiiiicccee:grin:
  9. Jim5506

    Jim5506 Hall Of Fame

    Jun 7, 2004
    Until you get larger than 50 inches, the visual acuity of most people truly cannot see that much difference.

    When I installed my Sony D50Q in my office with an 84 inch HD picture on the wall, one night my wife walked in while I was watching Leno and said, "Wow, it's just like being there". Two months later we had a 57" RPCRT in the living room and she watches it with me all the time and we can definitely tell the difference in HD and SD.

    Unfortunately our local ABC is still digital SD only so when NASCAR switched from ESPN to ABC she was not a happy camper having to watch NASCAR in SD for "THE CHASE".
  10. Slordak

    Slordak Hall Of Fame

    Dec 17, 2003
    I think this comment is spot-on. When one doesn't really pay attention to the quality of the image, one may not really notice the difference. However, one will slowly become acclimated to the higher quality signal, and when suddenly forced to watch the same content in standard definition, will immediately ask, "Why is the picture quality so bad?".
  11. rsaforjm

    rsaforjm Cool Member

    Jan 28, 2007
    When I first got HD, I turned on NBC, ABC and felt that that there is no big difference. Then I watched sports and felt there is a big difference. Now I go back to NBC, ABC etc and feel that there is a big improvement. Watching sports, you actually use the extra information and you recognize a face or see the ball. It is great when you see a foul as it is called. In Regular shows the extra resolution doesn't make a big difference, the main character faces are already big. The colors and sound are a little better. But in sports the difference is day and night.
  12. HD AV

    HD AV Legend

    Nov 22, 2006
    A recent study found approx. 80% of the persons who purchased a new HDTV did not know they were not watching HD because they had not upgraded to digital cable and/or subscribed to the HD programming. I find this astounding. SD looks worse on most (not all) HDTVs. I guess that's why many people are not impressed by HDTV, they really don't have it.
  13. JigSawMan

    JigSawMan Cool Member

    Apr 18, 2006
    While it may be true that some people don't perceive the difference between SD and HD content, I'd like to point out another likely scenario. Your wife really does see the difference, but is messing with your head by stating the opposite. The more wound up you get about her not seeing the obvious difference in quality may be more amusing to her than anything on the TV itself.
  14. TP715

    TP715 Mentor

    Jan 14, 2007
    I bought my HDTV (Sony 60" SXRD) based on the instore demo. It was a loop of Hawaii and it looked spectacularly sharp. No HD that I have seen on Dishnetwork comes even remotely close to the visual quality of that demo loop, despite us having exactly the same TV. The reason is clear: the demo was playing from a special Sony HD hard drive at an enormous bit rate (something like 40 Mbps I think, beyond even the max for BluRay). Dishnetwork HD, on the other hand, is downresd to 1440 and heavily compressed (I think some HD channels are as low as 6 Mbps).

    Yes, both my wife and I can see the minor difference between SD and HD on Dish, but that is more because the SD stinks than the HD being spectacularly clear.

    Note- I don't have access to OTA, which, at 19 Mbps and 1920, is undoubtedly much better than the Dish feeds. Also, I'm not complaining per se, all the satellite and cable operators downres and/or compress their feeds; they wouldn't have the bandwidth to deliver all those PPV if they didn't ;)
  15. davidord

    davidord Godfather

    Aug 16, 2006
    This whole thread is hilarious... because it is true. My wife is the same way. She is more concerned about content than picture quality.

    Now for my troll comment: I have DirecTV and the HR20 DVR, so the HD and SD channels share the same number. For example, if ABC is channel 7 there are two channels listed in the guide one HD and one SD. On the latest software update, I now have the option of hiding the SD channels that have HD duplicates, so only the HD channel shows up.

    Very cool wife tool.
  16. scooper

    scooper Hall Of Fame

    Apr 22, 2002
    Youngsville NC
    Oh- boy - we got 2 problems here

    HD viewing - I'll have to defer to those of you who have much more experiance than I do - as we just recently got our 32" LCD 720P less than a month ago, and the only HD viewing we get right now is OTA (which looks damn good to me with a viewing distance of 5-13 feet). Someday, we may get the 722 HD-DVR but that is not in the cards right now.

    SD viewing (especially of SD DBS) - OK - Here I do have some experiance. We picked that 32 inch set specifically because the SD 4:3 images (in correct aspect ratio) look very close in size (also in quality) to the old 27" CRT TV that it replaced . Ideally - SD DBS should be viewed at 3-5 times the screen size, and our usual sitting /viewing positions are right in the sweet spot for this. We do not see horrendous amounts of pixelating/etc. viewing problems. It may help that we took the time to adjust the set with Video Essentials - not that there was much adjusting to do.

    So in summary - it seems we have a couple of conflicting advice on how far to sit while watrching -
    HDTV at 1.5 - 3 times the screen, and
    SDTV at 3-5 times the screen size

    I'd say choose your distance based on what you're watching.

    And yes - my wife sees the difference, but she isn't as crazy about the HD picture as I am - she likes the convience of the locals on DBS (which, fortunately for us - almost approach OTA analog in quality). I think I'm slowly getting her to watch the HD shows in the evening when I'm at work (but NASCAR in HD is great !). I prefer to watch our local station that does HD news (you really CAN tell the difference).
  17. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    I can second some of Scooper's comments regarding my own 32" SD set. I do not see the flaws there with SD channels even sitting a few feet from the set. On my HD set in the living room I can see problems... but with the 32" SD set things look good. I think this is probably the target area of where Dish and DirecTV set their compression for SD channels.. to still look nice with older/smaller SD sets.

    Actually, even downconverted HD looks pretty sharp on my 32" SD set. Definately not as good as HD.. but some really nice stuff.
  18. texaswolf

    texaswolf Hall Of Fame

    Oct 18, 2007
    Same here...when i watch CW or Sci Fi on my 27" SD they look pretty good....but on the 56" DLP...they look like complete junk
  19. TBoneit

    TBoneit Hall Of Fame

    Jul 27, 2006

    And so she should be more concerned about content, garbage is garbage in SD or HD.

    You just finally got the mapping of HD channels to the same channel as their SD version?

    I know dish has had that for a while and that entering 2 for example takes me to Channel 2 (WCBS NYC,NY) in HD and I have to make a concious effort to select the SD version. Which is as it should be
  20. davidord

    davidord Godfather

    Aug 16, 2006
    On D* the mapping to the same channel started when the MPEG-4 local in locals were launched. All of there other HD content was on MPEG-2 and had different channel numbers. Finally, after being short-changed on HD for some time the new over-publisized satellite has launched and the mapping of the same channel is more prevalent with the launch of the new MPEG-4 channels.
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