I feel like Rip VanWinkle....I was so on top of the DirecTivo scene, with our 4 Hughes Tivo DVR's (HDVR2) with larger HD's and hacked using the Zipper tools and then all of a sudden I woke up and found DECA, SWiM, ICK and Whole Home DVR's! We've been a DTV customer since 2003 and since we didn't have HD TV's, there was really no reason to give up our beloved Tivos. But we're really limping along right now because a couple of them are having the dreaded Tuner 2 pixelation bug and I'm not all that thrilled to pay $170 to fix each of them. Plus, up until now there didn't really seem to be any good alternatives, but that appears to have changed with the Whole Home thing from DTV and I'm hoping some of you can give me some advice specific to our situation. My main concern is, what would we give up by moving to the new Whole Home DVR's with MRV and ICK? Just randoming thinking about what we do with our Tivos now.... 1. It appears as though the MRV feature is similar (maybe better) than what we have with the hacked Tivos so am I not losing anything there? 2. I guess there's no way to replace the Tivo Server capability and be able to download a torrent from a missed episode and dump it to the DVR, right? 3. What about 30 second skip? 4. It appears as though the new DVR's can match the "record two different channels and still play back something recorded" capability, correct? 5. How do the new units compare to the Tivos capability for Season Passes/Wishlists? 6. What about padding shows, what's the largest padding for end of shows (I watch a lot of racing and even with 3 hrs extra tacked on, sometimes red flags and rain delays can come really close to using up that extra)? Also, is there automatic padding like I have with one of the Zipper tools? 7. What about buffers? Do the new units have comparable buffer capacity and the ability to come home after a show has begun and be able to hit record and capture what's already in the buffer too? 8. Can you be watching live TV on one tuner, pause it and switch to the other tuner and watch it and switch back and forth like this (not talking receivers here, but the tuners on one box)? That's a feature that comes in really handy when two sporting events are on at the same time. 9. What equipment should I end up asking for? Even though we still don't have any HD TV's, I don't think that situation will remain for much longer. I understand I need HD DVR's in order to do MRV, so obviously I have to go that way now no matter what TV's we have. And I guess I want the ICK, even though I'm still not exactly sure what that gets me. Because our family situation has changed, we probably don't need 8 tuners, but we need at least 4 and 6 might be nice so I'm thinking maybe 3 DVR's and 1 regular HD box (which I presume could play back what's on all the DVR's, right?). 10. And finally, what can I expect from DTV as far as "freebies"? We've never, ever asked for anything from them. We've had the same equipment since 2003, so same Triple LNB 18x20 Dish, same 4 HDVR2's and the same 5x8 multi-switch. We've never asked for promos deals, not even free Showtime, nothing. I know lots of people play the game on a semi-regular basis and get DTV to cough up some sort of concession but I refrained, mostly because there wasn't anything I needed and also because I figured I'd "save up" my markers for a situation like this. I should add that our house is fully wired, each TV location has a panel with two RG6 and two CAT5e drops (the family room has two of those panels behind the TV) all going back to a central wiring closet where everything drops in including phone and Internet.