Help me select a new DVR. I hate the "autoplay" of the Genie HR54

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  1. Jul 9, 2019 #41 of 101
    dreadlk

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    Now that’s a feature I don’t like. The software programmer that put in that feature was overreaching and presumptuous in thinking that feature would be liked by the majority of customers. He compounded the problem by not even bothering to have a toggle option to turn it off.
     
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    I should add it will only download the episodes and autoplay if the episodes in OnDemand haven't been watched yet. If they are there and have been watched it doesn't download them again. Unless it is on Discovery. Somehow they have made it so their shows almost always are shown as first run and unwatched whether they are or not. Anytime one of their shows repeats a season that I watch, namely Life Below Zero, it will record that whole season again. And yet it is annoying.
     
  3. Jul 10, 2019 #43 of 101
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    Get an HR24 and stop stressing yourself!
    Life is too short to have to deal with things you hate and can fix
     
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    It isn't stressing me. I was just reporting the behavior on my HR54-C61K setup. The auto play doesn't bother me. I actually like if I have multiple episodes to watch. And I have an HR24. 4 of them to be exact.
     
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    I think the OPs problem is that he goes to sleep and they play while he is asleep.
    I think this was in the first post.
     
  6. Jul 10, 2019 #46 of 101
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    Yes that is correct.
     
  7. nowandthen

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    I would like to do this. Please help me. :) I'm willing to pay extra for an SSD (solid state drive) to do all I can to make it as speedy as possible, if they are reliable enough constantly recording. What external device do I need? Any recommendations on drive size? TIA

    And you mentioned the new external drive will give a couple of years of good service. Will it eventually bog down? If so, will reformatting and starting over speed it up again?
     
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    When I first got the 54, I noticed downloaded content, so I unplugged it from the internet. I don't care that they collect my viewing habits, I too am a control freak (someone else in this thread also admitted to being the same). :)

    I think you're right about it not always recording the current channel. I think I saw this once or twice but thought I must be mistaken or did something to dump the buffer.
     
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    I know the HR22 (and sounds like the HR24) had/has folder play, which in effect is autoplay. So we have/had the best of both worlds. DTV could please all the people all the time re:autoplay, by providing the option to disable it. Or bringing back folder play.
     
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    I also have not experienced autoplay on a stand alone recording. It only happens when there is more than 1 episode in a group. Let's not give DTV any ideas. :)
     
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    Sorry about all the individual posts. I didn't see a multi-reply button.

    Thanks for all the suggestions and comments. I've decided to get an HR24 (probably a pair of them) and pay whatever AT&T charges me. I will try to get a deal but that may not happen, as I talked them into setting me up with the HR54 and mini for no cost. Only a 12 month contract. I do not carry insurance, but being as I have been with them for so long, and not upgrading any equipment for such a long time, I guess they felt they could do it for me.

    Things I don't like about the HR54:
    1. Obviously autoplay.
    2. Not discussed here but maybe somewhere else (haven't searched yet), terrible overshoot compensation. I have to hit instant replay 3-4 times to back up after coming out of 3X fast forward, and I'm really trying to pay attention. THe HR54 does not back up enough. This is actually more annoying than autoplay, as I fast forward through commercials alot.
    3. Not a full 90 buffer on the current channel. I'm not 100% on this but I believe I've noticed this a couple of times. Maybe after a certain amount of time of inactivity, the HR54 just stops buffering?
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    Edit (between the asterisks) 7-11-2019 6:16 PM PDT, I came home tonight and turned on the TV. Looks like I have a full 90 minute buffer of the current channel. So this is a non-issue with regard to the HR54.
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    With some help from Rich, or someone else, on how to connect an external drive, and what kind of drive is best, I will go with an HR24. I think this is the best solution for me.
     
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    Good decision! Here we go...first let me answer your question. I've had SSDs in four HRs for some time. My 44 has had an SSD for almost a year. I see no signs of that HR bogging down and the SSD is nearly full (lots of boxing matches). One HR24-200 has an SSD for about the same period, no bogging down at all and that's only a 500 GB drive. I just put a 2TB WD Blue SSD on a slow, buggy 24-100 and that's running like it's brand new. No, I see no issues at all concerning the HRs bogging down. Not that it can't happen but my HRs are running beautifully.

    Well, first you're gonna need an external device. I use Thermaltake docks, been using them for a decade at least. Here's a link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001A4HAFS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    When you open that link you will see a normal Amazon offering. Note the small pictures to the left of the big picture of the dock. Hover over the third from the top and you will see the back wall of the dock. On that wall is an eSATA port. That port has to be on any external device or the device will not work with an HR. Any external device with that port should work with an HR. When you buy one of these docks they come with the cabling you will need. Don't be put off by worries about dust or overheating, the docks have no problems related to dust or overheating.

    You will need an SSD. I use Samsung and WD SSDs. Here's a link to the WD SSD: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073SBRHH6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Here's a link to the Samsung SSD: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078DPCY3T/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 SSD: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078DPCY3T/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Once the dock (or and other external device you should choose) and SSD are in hand it only takes a few minutes to hook them up and get them running. This happens a lot faster than it would if you use a new HDD. Here's how to hook them up:

    Disconnect the power cord of the HR. Take the cable that comes with the dock and stick one end in the eSATA port on the back of the dock. Take the other end of that cable and put it in the SATA port of the HR.

    Once the cable is in place put the SSD firmly in place in the dock.

    Power up the dock...you should see the Power light blink red and blue. Or it might not blink at all.

    Plug in the HR. When the HR is done booting up go to your Playlist, it should be empty. Record something, anything. That's it! If you can see the new recording you are all set.

    How's that for "simple"?

    Rich
     
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    Sorry missed a point. About the size of the SSD. On a 24 you can put at most a 2TB drive. The 2TB SSD I just bought cost me about two hundred dollars. The 1TB SSD I started with 11 months ago cost me the same price. That will give you an idea about how quickly the prices are coming down. I'd recommend putting a 2TB drive on any 24. SSD or HDD. When I made that statement about how long you can expect to get good service from a "drive" I meant from a new HDD. I'm just getting started with SSDs and I have no idea what's gonna happen a year or two from now.

    Yes, you can put a brand new HDD in/on any HR and you can expect to get a couple years of good service from that HR but the HDDs will slow down over time. Whether that will happen to the SSDs I can't really say. What I have seen so far would lead me to believe that an SSD will give you a lot more time than an HDD. I did fill up one HR that has an SSD on it and left it full for a week or so and saw no problems. Try that with a 24 with an older HDD in it and you will have problems. My 44 with the 1TB drive on it is a lot fuller than it would be if I had an HDD on it. In fact, the the 44 never ran properly from the day I got until the day I put the SSD on it. I did put a brand new WD Green 3TB HDD in the 44 the day I got it. Was disappointed, not disappointed now. SSD made a huge difference.

    You are looking for speed. Simply put, an SSD will make quite a difference.

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    Thanks Rich! Your replies are always so detailed. That takes a lot of effort, and I appreciate it!

    I found your thread shortly after my post and have been reading through it post by post. Kind of fun to read through a thread that is fairly recent and covers a fair amount of time. More fun that "living it live" :). I think I'm on page 13. I feel like I'm reliving your experience with SSD experimentation. What happens if I put a 1TB SSD in my HR44-700? here What happens if I put a 1TB SSD in my HR44-700?

    I've already learned alot from that thread. Fun read!

    Is there any reason for me to keep the HR54 to act as a server only? Then get an HR24 as a client? Will the client HR24 act like an HR24 when playing back recordings from the HR54, meaning no autoplay? Seems I would have to feed the HR54 to a TV input and change that TV's input in order to set up recordings. I don't want those kind of hassles. If 2 HR24's (gives me 4 tuners) makes more sense, then I'll dump the HR54 and get 2 HR24s and add SSDs.

    Thanks so much for the recommendations. Big help!

    Edit: One more question, should I trust Dtv to send out HR24s or should I get them from Solid Signal?
    OK I lied, 2nd question, (to myself as much as readers of the thread) are there any owned HR24's out there I could buy? Somewhere (your thread?) I read that an owned DVR will not extend your contract. Searching eBay now, I see HR24-500, HR24-200 and HR24-100. Do I care which version of HR24?
     
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    I found this very honest posting on eBay: IMPORTANT.....Please Note: Directv/AT&T is changing customer accounts from the old Directv system to a new AT&T system. Once they update your account you will no longer be able to add an "OWNED" Directv receiver to your account. They will only allow you to add leased receivers from DTV once they've switched your old Directv account to AT&T.
    Please contact Directv before purchasing an owned receiver to verify you can add it to your account. If Directv tells you that you have a RC1 ATT account, you will not be able to add an owned receiver to your account.
    You can add an owned receiver only if you still have your original (old) Directv account.
    IMPORTANT! As of August 1, Directv will no longer allow "Owned Receivers" on your account. Only leased receivers with a two-year contract will be allowed on your account. If they have already switched your account to a RC1 account you can't ad an "Owned Receiver." If your account is still the old Directv account you only have until the end of the month to add an owned receiver.

    Please note: There is a misconception that you do not have to pay the Directv mirroring fee of $7 per month, if you have an "OWNED" receiver. Unfortunately this isn't true as ALL receivers, whether "owned" or "leased," with the exception of the first one on your account, have to pay the $7 monthly fee.

    Why pay DirecTV or Best Buy, etc. up to $200 for a leased receiver while you can purchase an "owned" receiver and not have a two-year commitment, plus you can activate and deactivate as often as you want and you can even sell it.

    I appreciate his/her honesty. Don't see that very often these days. however, the sell it part will be worthless after August 1st.
     
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    I must have missed that post. I wish I had a need for another dock, I'd like to try that out. Yeah, the Thermaltake (TT) docks are not being made anymore. I would have no qualms about buying a used TT dock. The reason the prices are so high on the TT docks is Thermaltake decided to stop making the eSATA docks and they have become rare. You can usually find TT eSATA docks on eBay at reasonable prices and it seems to be easy to return items on eBay these days.

    But, any external device will work as long as it has that eSATA port. Here's one at a reasonable price: https://www.amazon.com/ORICO-Tool-F...rnal+dock&qid=1562947640&s=electronics&sr=1-9 I'd suggest that SSD dock you linked to tho. Only problem with that is it doesn't allow you to put an HDD on it. The TT docks accept HDDs and SSDs.

    Rich
     
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    That was honest. ATT screwed up the "owned" thing royally. Still looking for a way to fix that. I have a bunch of owned HRs. Interested?

    Rich
     
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    One thing about the Genies, you can't beat them when you use them as a server. I do that with my 44. That CSR that told you the 54s are buggy was BSing you. Nothing wrong with them or the 44s. Except for the software. But if you can live with a couple 24s...well, I'd do that.

    You will get 24s from D*. Not much difference in the models. I have all three models and I see no difference in them.

    Rich
     
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    I am interested, but I need to contact Dtv/AT&T and see if my account has already switched over. If it has, according to that eBay post, I can't add an owned unit. I plan to call them this weekend.
     

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