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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by Lord Vader, Sep 1, 2007.
In my best Darth Vader voice...
Lord Vader, she shall be...
of no consequence...
To chime in with others, you're kind of screwed if she makes a stink about the drilling. From http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html#QA
And yes I realize that this instance specifically mentions an exterior wall and not a balcony, but what you are stating here is a VERY common scenario and the exact reason bucket installs have become so popular. As others have stated, the OTARD rules are not an end-all-be-all blanket policy to let renters do whatever they want. They are a fair compromise allowing renters to put up antennas and dishes in a way that is not truly inconvenient or dangerous to the landlord or other renters. Drilling holes in the property is most definitely not a fair compromise of any sort.
Another install that I have seen with triple LNB dishes is to mount the dish to a 2x4 and then use a regular c-clamp to clamp the 2x4 to the patio. These are all legit. But yeah, bolting a dish to the balcony or exterior wall are entirely outside of the OTARD rulings and not covered under your fair use. If you like living there I seriously wouldn't make a stink about that one as they are clearly within their right to evict you for breaking the lease.. There is no OTARD backing on this one.
She hasn't said a word about drilling, and considering the dish was attached to an area exclusive to my use, that won't be an issue.
Last night I spoke to a friend of mine who's an attorney and handles stuff like this, something I didn't know. His take on it seems pretty strong in my favor. He says he has had only 1 or 2 such things ever get as far as the legal system, but he's won both of those and every other argument made by landlords against renters. His batting average of a thousand is pleasing to my ears. He has asked me to keep him abreast of what transpires this week and to let him know if he needs to step in, something I hope doesn't happen, but we shall see.
as someone who fought against his apartment complex and lost, I can most definitely tell you that you are wrong about the bolded part. and it's even worse..
I moved to the complex (no longer there) in 1999. I had DirecTV when I moved. I brought over my dish and despite it saying no drilling in the building (of which the balcony is considered part of, as I found out later) I mounted it to the patio as two others in the same complex had done so also. That was that.
THREE YEARS went by without word. I then received a letter stating that this was in violation of my lease and that if the dish wasn't removed (it only said removed in the letter) within 30 days that I would be evicted. Mind you this complex received HEAVY kickbacks from our local TWC franchise, so I thought at the time they were clearly muscling me into switching to cable, so I fought it. I Immediately started the ball rolling on court. It didn't even get anywhere. At the very first fact finding session with the judge he had stated that I could not drill holes in the landlord's property. He also stated that even though I had the dish mounted for over three years without incident, that because it was in my lease that I couldn't drill holes in the property that they were within their rights to threaten me with eviction.
The point I'm trying to make is that there was never any sympathy given on my part by anyone. After all was said and done I was left with 4 days to take down my dish and relocate it or be evicted. The judge treated me like I was an idiot (which I was), and when the landlord painted all of the buildings I was charged $250 in repairs to the balcony.
And speaking of my experience, how do you have the cable going into the apartment? I had drilled through the mortar and the interior drywall, and before leaving had patched both up (which is why I went through the mortar). I was charged $200 for repairs to those areas and AGAIN lost in court by the landlord saying that the repairs were not up to their standards. It was after all of this that I realized a lot of people out there think they have a lot more rights than they really do with rented property. You really have no other rights than living their and PLACING your belongings there. That's about it.
Now you can go ahead and poo poo this, but understand that my little crusade similar to yours ended up costing me about $800 when all was said and done, and I ended up with nothing to show for it. I mean I still had DirecTV, but had I done everything the RIGHT way to begin with, none of that $800 would have been lost.
The cables enter my abode via a rather an opening that was already provided--by the landlord.
Just wondering in a case like this if you could go ahead with the pipe in concrete in a bucket method and clamp the monopoles to the railing for stability and not have any holes drilled anywhere in their structure. Would that be possible or are they must wanting the dish removed altogether?
Each time I tried the pole in the bucket routine before, the damn thing always ended up tilting or getting screwed up.
I'm not going to do anything until I hear something from the manager. My only question to myself is, "Self, should I call her and see what she thinks of the information I left her, or should I wait for her to call?"
Lord Vader, maybe you wait until tomorrow, but I don't think that it is wise to wait too long. The last thing she talked about was eviction, right? You don't want to leave the conversation at that point I think. Even if the news is "bad" then you're probably better off finding out than not knowing.
Yep, pretty hard to aim a sat dish froma shopping cart
At least if you find out you can then formulate a game plan and you'd know what you are up against.
Something about flinging honey instead of vinegar gets flies to stick better..... No that's not quite right
Hell hath no fury.......
Pi** her off enough and she can opt not to renew the lease for no reason. You might know the reason but proving it is nearly impossible, unless you get her on tape saying remove the legal dish or I will evict you.
Resist the temptation to win the battle since you might lose the war. Let her know the dish is within legal limits, size wise and ask her for a reasonable solution, other than the bucket idea.
No, she never threatened eviction. There might have been a slight implication on her part about lease renewal next year, but I'm not worried about that.
BTW, I did find out that the DISH Network guy has been the one bugging her about my dish. Like it's any of his frickin' business!
As the Death Star moves into position..........:lol:
I feel like I am reading a great battle for all DirecTV rebels.......strange sides though.....
Especially considering that Dish Network's "superdish" is still quite a bit larger than a slimline!
I don't know where they've got it, though. I can't see any DISH dishes on any of the 22 buildings in our complex. They must've wired the buildings via a big central dish somewhere on the complex. We DO have an array of large dishes in the corner of our property.
Well, I won.
The Dark Side always wins.
Very cool! Congratulations. How did you do it?