HMC Playback, the First Look

Discussion in 'DIRECTV - HMC PC Playback Discussion (private)' started by Tom Robertson, Apr 30, 2008.

  1. Tom Robertson

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    Reviewing the document, my notes, nope not DIRECTVs :) :
    First off, excellent work guys. (Great team!)

    Don't use HR20, we probably should either say Plus HD DVR or HR2x...

    Should/could we expand the opening to talk about how people can use this? Scenarios that we've mentioned include us watching something while spouse/kids watch on the big TV; watching from any room in the house; Watching two games at once :); etc. I'm sure we can say more good things in the intro. (Resizing on the fly, pip so you can work and watch, ...)

    Can/should we leave the detailed requirements to an appendix and just talk in generalities upfront: kickass CPU or video card with MPEG4 decoding; lots of memory; a well tuned OS configuration; and stable, fast network to both server and PC.

    The Link in the PDF (and likely the word version) is the "short" form that vB uses and therefore not usable. We should correct that for the final version. And we should also include links to the requirements page and the advisor, I would think.

    First expectation might read: Watch content from an HR2x on any compatible PC in the house...

    To me the click on the progress bar is really, really cool. I think we should highlight that in the text. :)

    Do we need to mention that MPEG4 decoding is very client intensive either in CPU or specialized chip to explain the high PC requirements?

    Explain that the ability to re-size generally does away with the need for pillar/crop/stretch modes?

    And I would expand the description of multiple monitors to differentiate between mirrored monitors and extended desktop. Ideally, like PowerDVD, DIRECTV.exe should play on any complian monitor and move from one to another at will. but not stretch across two or more monitors (Perhaps) or mirror across two or more.

    Again, great start,
    Tom
     
  2. dettxw

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    Was wondering how much more time we have to work on the First Look?
    Thought a mention of the connection type (wired, wireless g, wireless n) vs video type (HD mpeg4, satellite mpeg2, OTA mpeg2) might be worth a mention.
    After replacing the desktop PC, router, and network adapters I'm still have problems playing OTA HD mpeg2 on the laptop but not sure if it is network or PC related. I would have thought that this machine had plenty of horsepower to play the video.
    Would like to investigate this some more - try different combinations of bands (2.4 & 5GHz) between the laptop and HR20 to see if the network is the limiting factor. Also now that I think about it probably have never plugged the laptop into the router to see what removing one of the wireless hops would do. Don't use a wired connection any more since the WGA600N adapters only have the one network plug where the wireless g Buffalo Ethernet Converter acted like a bridge and switch with 4 ports.
     
  3. RAD

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    Looks good to me. The only thing you might want to mention is that audio subsystem needs to be able to support SCMS for playback of DRM protected content since you mention the HDCP requirement (that only caused me problems with DRM protected content also, content without it worked fine for me).
     
  4. RAD

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    On page 7 the line "Watch the source HR20 (change channels, etc) while streaming unlike Slingbox". When I first read it wasn't clear what it meant, maybe better wording would be "Watch the source HR20 independant of what else is being done on the HR20 while streaming, unlike the Slingbox."
     
  5. tfederov

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    Called it +HD DVR (Just looked better to me while editing. I can fix it though)

    Added some of this in the intro.

    Created Appendix A

    Added it to Appendix A

    Fixed.

    It's in bold and underlined! :D

    Left this one out. My thoughts are that it's already explained in the PC requirements. Thoughts?

    Added.

    Added

    Added

    Reworded

    I'm real leery about this one because it's more of a YMMV. We've already seen how different networks affect Media Share. Not sure if I want to open up this can of worms....

    EDIT: I forgot the wishlist! This doc isn't game ready because I need an explanation of the dual monitor support. Above, Tom you mentioned expanding the description of multiple monitors but then in the wishlist said work on either monitor of a multiple monitor system. I'm a little confused (ooooh, surprise there! :D)

    EDIT 6/27: Pulled this version down to add shortcuts and credits. 10a is the current version below.
     
  6. tfederov

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    This just came to mind. I edited for +HD DVR. The question will come up "HR21?"

    Do we want to leave it +HD DVR or HR2x?
     
  7. PoitNarf

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    HR2x will draw less questions I think. Great job on the document guys :D
     
  8. tfederov

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    HR2x might do the same thing. Unless the HR21 will be compatible when this is released this could be another "HR21 doesn't have an antenna? What a POS" type of thread. I'm just trying not to leave us exposed.
     
  9. Tom Robertson

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    PC Playback will definitely work on the HR21 soon. (I do not know the exact timing, they are milestone driven more than date driven.)

    So the First Look should address this a HR2x or Plus HD DVR feature. :)

    In the posting that announces this, we'll put the proper caveats as needed at that time. (And if we have our heads on, even update as events unfold.) :)

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  10. tfederov

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    Good deal, Tom. In that case I think we're ready for review if everyone is happy here. :)
     
  11. tfederov

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    UPEngineer came up with some shortcuts when using the app. Do we want to add them and him to the doc? I think it was a heck of a find.
     
  12. mhayes70

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    Yeah, I saw that. How did we miss that?? :)
     
  13. Tom Robertson

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    Yes, add them and his credit

    Also, I use a scrolling mouse for the playlist very nicely. Very cool. :)

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  14. tfederov

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    Added shortcuts, credits to UPEngineer and Drew2k (tab between playlist and showcases).

    Edit: Pulled v10.
     
  15. Doug Brott

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    Tony,

    Looks good .. If you can drop the 'to finally be released' at the end of the very first sentence then it's likely good. Problem is that it harkens back to the field trials (pre-beta) even if it doesn't actually say that.
     
  16. tfederov

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    I'll make that fix when I get home. I don't have the Word version with me at the office.
     
  17. tfederov

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    Posting 10b in Word, leaving 10a for now above. The only change was Doug's comment about the first sentence. I'll convert it to a pdf file once we get the okay.

    Edit: Pulled 10b
     
  18. Tom Robertson

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    Tony,

    Excellent work!

    In reviewing this section
    I'd like to soften or reset expectations a bit:
    The first sentence: Perhaps a simpler construction-- "Some items users should be aware of"

    3rd bullet: "Wireless 802.11g connections are rarely stable and fast enough for HD video playback"

    4th bullet: Playlist and recording management is not yet available at this time.

    and then 5th bullet can be removed.​

    (I'm always glad when my review points are high level, a very good sign.) :)

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  19. tfederov

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    Thanks!

    Do you mean bullets five and six? Four talks about being unable to stream over Internet, only over home LAN.

    If so, I submit 10c

    Edit: Pulled 10c
     
  20. Doug Brott

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    Something about that very first sentence still doesn't sound just right .. would it make sense to remove it completely?

    Anyway, Tony, other than perhaps that (your call on that one), I think it's done and ready for final review. Go ahead and press the final one and either Tom or I will get it sent to the right folks.
     

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