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  1. Mar 16, 2008 #41 of 106
    JohnL

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    Glen,


    The FCC (in other words Federal Government) specifies in the OTARD Rules, almost no entity or town ordinance can restrict the installation of OTA Antennas or ANY Number of required Dish's (to receive the programing you subscribe to) under 1 meter.

    So, you don't need permission from anybody to install these devices, except maybe your significant other:lol: .

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  2. Mar 16, 2008 #42 of 106
    randyk47

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    Our HOA asks that we get a "permit" to install our various dishes. It's not an issue that they will or can deny installation. What they look for is that you've at least considered putting the dish in the least visible location consistent with ease of installation and LOS issues. I find no particular fault with that and they've been easy to deal with. Personally, short of living in the country on several acres, I'd not live in a community without some kind of HOA control.
     
  3. Mar 16, 2008 #43 of 106
    lifeislife

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    I have rescheduled the installation appointment to the next Saturday. The HOA manager told me it may not be enough time, but I am considering installing it anyway. I have sent in the "architectural change approval" request form and hope that one week is "reasonable" time for them to approve the change. I did notice that in the OTARD there is also a consideration for unreasonable delays and I think more than one week potentially without television service can be defined as unreasonable ;-)

    Till then, it is back to comcast :-(
     
  4. Mar 16, 2008 #44 of 106
    Tom Robertson

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    To me, this can be an excellent balance of "control" vs. "permission". If this is done correctly where the permit typically is issued very quickly, conveniently, as a helpful service giving you suggestions not restrictions, I not only have no problems with it, I think of it as a great help. (Note the very important quickly, conveniently and helpful...) :)

    Cheers,
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  5. Mar 16, 2008 #45 of 106
    harsh

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    Doesn't the manager know when the next meeting of the deciding body will be?
     
  6. Mar 16, 2008 #46 of 106
    JohnL

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    Tom,

    What's the deal with your SHEEPLE mentality? Tell them you are getting DirecTV installed, show them the OTARD Rules (which outlines that they have no control or input on your the decision to get DirecTV). If they tell you this or that or your HOA puts up a fight, tell them nicely to butt out.

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  7. Mar 16, 2008 #47 of 106
    tcusta00

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    The builder would be the one to initiate this kind of thing, not the HOA Board, which is typically made of of residents who aren't even owners for months or even years after the development is planned. And the builder has nothing to gain financially by putting in a master antenna and can't even sell it to prospective homeowners as a benefit since they are allowed, under OTARD provisions, to put a dish in if they feel like it.
     
  8. Mar 16, 2008 #48 of 106
    Tom Robertson

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    Because I don't see this as "All or Nothing" for either party. The HOA does have some limited rights, the other owners certainly have some vested interest in all this, and you should have some vested interest. Namely keeping your property values going up.

    Remember, I was coming from a standpoint of the HOA truly providing "a helpful service" whereby they might even help you with a pain in the neck installer who might not install in a suitable location.

    Ain't no sheeple in what I'm looking for. I'm looking for customer service from an HOA--not customer restrictions nor nazi-like mentality.

    Cheers,
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  9. Mar 16, 2008 #49 of 106
    ercjncprdtv

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    In my mobile home park, no signature is required. The HOA will only tell you that they would prefer that the dish be installed on the back side of the house , out of sight. Worked out great that way as I get a 96 signal strength on all transponders:)
     
  10. Mar 17, 2008 #50 of 106
    JohnL

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    Tom,

    I fail to see how a satellite Dish or two will decrease property value. A suitable location? A Dish needs line of sight period. I'd tell an installer where I would like the Dish, I don't need a nosey neighbor or some other person telling me what to do with my own property.

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  11. Mar 17, 2008 #51 of 106
    glennb

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    JohnL,

    If the homeowner signed the HOA agreement and somewhere it said - "No dishes installed without permission" I don't think the FCC(in other words Federal Government) OTARD rules thing means anything. :lol:

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  12. Mar 17, 2008 #52 of 106
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    Oh my gawd !!
    Did you say that people are actually painting their own houses whatever color they wanted that didn't match the rest of the row !! How AWFUL !!! :eek2:
    :rolleyes:

    CHAIN LINK FENCES ?? !!:eek2:

    What's next ? Goats living in the backyard ? Maybe a BBQ grill that doesn't match all the other neighbors BBQ grills ? An old chevy up on blocks in the driveway ?

    Does the grass all have to be the same length in your neighborhood(PLEASANTVILLE) ?
     
  13. Mar 17, 2008 #53 of 106
    joe diamond

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    The point is:

    The HOA cannot have those rules on their books. It is like agreeing to work for cash or removing a shopping cart from the lot. Cannot be done.

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  14. Mar 17, 2008 #54 of 106
    Tom Robertson

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    If you fail to see, ask a realtor what would happen if you put 3 satellite dishes in the very front edge of your yard. ;)

    Or some other ugly location where it didn't need to be.

    Then ask what would happen to your property value if your neighbor left a decaying, rusty dish in his yard, right next to your property.

    If you are married, ask your wife how she thinks about a dish just placed "anywhere you want." :)

    A dish needs line of sight period is so "All or Nothing." What if you have 1,000 places to put said dish? Wouldn't you rather put it where the property value is maintained rather than where it isn't? :eek2:

    Yes, if you only have one suitable location to put said dish, the HOA would be hard to stop you. They can if safety was a legitimate concern or it overhung a common area (so wouldn't be entirely on your property.) Beyond that, they can't stop you. But that is NOT what I'm talking about, is it?

    I'm talking about them helping you. In that last scenario, I'm talking about them helping you find that one spot--cuz the installer just might not. (At least the first couple might not...) :)

    Cheers,
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  15. Mar 17, 2008 #55 of 106
    joe diamond

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    Well,

    The builder IS the HOA board until around half the units are sold. I can't help thinking a running satellite system would be a plus. "Go to BB or CC or bring your own boxes and they will work with a phone call "... just a thought.

    The MDU world seems to be getting things together in apartment land. There is the same resistance to the dishes + the north facing folks are locked into cable unless they can put a dish on a roof or lawn & get the keys to the cable room.

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  16. Mar 17, 2008 #56 of 106
    lifeislife

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    Apparently not. I don't know the HOA board members yet since I moved in only on Thursday :)

    I did send a scanned version of the letter with our signatures so that she can email it to the decision makers rather than fax. Hoping that means a quicker decision.

    My other problem is that I am expecting a $200 cash card from Costco for buying an HDTV and getting DirecTV, and for that I need the first month's bill and that rebate needs to be postmarked by 4/26. Working backwards, I need to have service set up before 3/26, and that does not leave me much room to get it set up :)

    After all, its all about the $$$ ;-)
     
  17. Mar 17, 2008 #57 of 106
    Tom Robertson

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    Joe Diamond is correct, an HOA can't have that rule on their books as it is a violation of the law. (If the HOA is smart, their rules have a clause stating that if any one clause is deemed illegal, the rest of the rules are still in force.)

    The only rights an HOA has relate to: 1) public safety, 2) common areas, 3) in cases of multiple suitable locations, they can request you pick one that in their view maintains the property's value as best as possible. (This last one is the most complex as it contains several soft words such as "suitable" and without "causing undue cost to the homeowner to get the service.")

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  18. Mar 17, 2008 #58 of 106
    Tom Robertson

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    You might be able to get a billing cycle date earlier than 30 days.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  19. Mar 17, 2008 #59 of 106
    fluffybear

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    Peachtree...
    According to an attorney friend of mine (who retired from practice in 2001) we waived our rights to some freedoms and laws when we purchased our home in a HOA. As I understood him, OTARD (example) was already law when we signed the HOA agreement so by signing that agreement we would waive our rights to that law.

    I am not lawyer nor would I want to fight this in court but have to wonder if a judge and/or jury might look at it the same way.

    FWIW, our HOAs only limitation is that installers must try and place the dish out of sight of the street when possible.
     
  20. Mar 17, 2008 #60 of 106
    randyk47

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    Actually, since I already had a 3-LNB dish though in a different location than where my 5-LNB had to go, I didn't go to the HOA. Nobody said a thing about me replacing the old dish since it was "permited" by the previous home owner. Quite honestly I no more wanted the 5-LNB sticking out on the front of the house, or at least visible from the front, than the HOA guidance asks. There are folks in the neighborhood, and I can only guess that they went through the HOA, that apparently had no choice and there is this big old dish sticking up. OK. LOS and some installation requirements take precedent but they're not a thing of beauty.
     
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