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HOA Says no to 2nd dish Vs. FCC

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by katz21498, Jun 22, 2005.

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  1. moedog

    moedog Legend

    Jun 20, 2003
    Tony, you should move to the yukon or something. Don't expect to live in a densely populated community and jeopardize your neighbor's hard-earned investments in their property.
  2. scooper

    scooper Hall Of Fame

    Apr 22, 2002
    Youngsville NC
    moedog - this discussion about HOAs has been here before.

    In short - some of us think HOAs are the devil's own creation and will never willingly live in an area with one (count me here). Some of use think HOAs are wonderful to enforce their views of what is best for the community (you seem to be here). And never shall the twain meet...
  3. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    A few years ago when I first got my Dish install... I was surprised a few months later getting a letter from my HOA asking me why I hadn't gotten approval first, and giving me a form to fill out and get my neighbors to sign.

    I promptly called them up and pointed out that in their own eleventy-zillion pages of rules they gave to me, it very clearly states I can do what I did without approval... and they apologised for not knowing their own rules and I made them send me a letter in writing revoking their previous one.

    Sometimes the HOA will try to enforce phantom rules... so you have to be watchful of that too... A couple of my neighbors received the same letter, and went through the approval process instead of protesting it like I did.
  4. TonyM

    TonyM Banned User

    Aug 14, 2003
    hee hee thats funny

    I live in a Townhouse complex. There are 4 in my group and 4 across from me

    Lets see
    -my neighbor on the end has DirecTV
    -me..well, that’s been covered
    -neighbor (ex HOA head) has 2 dishes (Dish Network) and had them BEFORE they tried to invoke this rule.
    -lady on the end has DirecTV

    Across from me (you come up the driveway and there are 4 on left and 4 on right…mine is on the right)
    -lady on end has a Superdish for ethnic channels
    -townhouse in the middle has no dish
    -townhouse next to that has no dish
    -townhouse on the other end has 2 dishes INCLUDING a Superdish

    So 6 of the 8 people near me have dishes. The head of our HOA tried to make all these stupid rules once he became head of HOA yet is violating a CITY LAW that says if a dog is outside it needs to be either on a leash or in an enclosed area. The dog is neither. He was the only one who tried to invoke this (he moved in like 3 months before he became head) and the next month there were 2 people who asked about it. Once I showed them the FCC rule, the other board members said “well, looks like your little rule is useless, huh Bill?”

    As long as you aren’t hurting anything, what is the big deal? You cannot see any of my dishes unless you walk around to the back of the house. When you come up the driveway, you cannot see any of the dishes in our complex. When you come down the road, if you look real hard (its about a 150 foot run from the road to the houses) you can see my OTA antenna.

    The law was made to protect us from HOA’s who feel they can run roughshot around the people who bought the house. Hey, I don’t like seeing his 3 cars outside all the time and when he opens his garage, there is so much sh*t in it he can barely get his motorcycle in there much less his cars.

    Yet I’m the bad guy for having 6 dishes….Hey, I’m a free to air nut and proud of it :D:D

    Oh, and if I could move somewhere else, I would. Almost did but that job transfer fell through. Had a nice little spot with 20 acres picked out.
  5. garypen

    garypen Hall Of Fame/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 1, 2004
    Are you sure? I would think he is in violation regardless. He is violating his neighbor's property line. Personally, I would insist he moves it so that it is entirely on his side. But, only after I first asked nicely that he move it to the other side of his patio, if possible.

    Even though I've had dbs service from 1998 until recently, I've always felt, as many others do, that satellite dishes are ugly, as are OTA and any other crap sticking out of someone's house. That is why I have always attempted to mount them as inconspicuously to the public as possible. It's simple common sourtesy. (I'm glad to see Tony shares that belief by mounting his inconsicuously, despite the huge number.)
  6. TonyM

    TonyM Banned User

    Aug 14, 2003
    my bad...it does include common areas so he may have an issue there
    its funny because the 2 townhouses on the end have their dishes on the garage roof, which is easily viewed from the driveway.

    Cant see any of mine :)
  7. cebbigh

    cebbigh Icon

    Feb 27, 2005
    Frostbite Falls
    I'm curious how it came about that dish would even request the letter to ok installation? I added a 3rd dish to pick up 61.5 and had no problems/questions along those lines with dish. I'd go back to dish and ask for the install. If the issue comes up again, I'd ask for an explanation and if I caught grief from the csr I'd ask to speak to a superviser.
  8. katz21498

    katz21498 New Member

    Jan 25, 2005
    Thanks for all the advice. The Dish will go up sooner or later, I am waiting a little while to see what happens with the Dish 1000 and the MPEG 4 HD. The major reason I was going after it was to get the Voom Channels. I am pushing it with the HOA so that we can get the rule changed I know of two other houses in the neighborhood with multiple dishes and at least one of them is being harassed by the association.
  9. lacruz

    lacruz Legend

    Feb 24, 2005
    Agreed. I sat in on a recent HOA meeting at a new development. They are trying to hammer down the new rules for my Condo. Indeed, most, if not all of what I heard discussed as "law," was preceded by a lot of "I think..." or "I believe...," as to what the law is, or should be. Really, what they should have said is: "This is how I think things ought to be in society, so lets just make up our own rules and laws in our little community and to heck with what the FCC or any other Governmental body says." HOA rules are made up of a few powerful people's opinions on how life should be in your community. If you disagree, you must get involved and attend meetings, run for a position on the board, etc.

    I have 2 dishes on my balcony (contained within the railing, sitting on my porch), and I'll be darned if they try to tell me to take one or both of them down. I bought my particular unit because it was one of the few that had a view of 61.5 & 110/119. People who choose to live in cities should get used to their annoying neighbors doing or having things that they may not like (dogs, satellite dishes, music, flags, lawnmowers, screaming kids running around, etc). If you don't like these things, then move to the middle of nowhere where your nearest neighbor is 20 miles away.
  10. JohnL

    JohnL Icon

    Apr 1, 2002


    This country is founded on Freedom, what don't you get. If your neighbor wants to mount a 26 inch Dish on his Home HOW IN THE WORLD does this affect you.

    Hummm, maybe that 26 inch dish affects you because you have a plant that MIGHT be in the shade because of that dish for say 5 minutes per day and it is killing your plant. BYE TROLL.

  11. Nick

    Nick Retired, part-time PITA DBSTalk Club

    Apr 23, 2002
    Not in all cases, Richard. For example, my apt. neighbor was granted permission to mount a pole and dish on the grounds (common area), albeit in an grown up area near the back fence. In this case, FCC rules are subordinate to the property manager's prerogatives.

    The FCC's rules are allowable restrictions for the use of property owners, HOAs and managers (owners) to limit and control the placement and use of dishes on their property. It is not mandatory for owners to enforce these restrictions. If a MDU property owner/HOA/manager opts to permit one resident or all residents to mount dishes in common-use areas, in places contrary to FCC guidelines, such as on a wall, roof or balcony railing, it is certainly the owner's right to do so. As always, I would suggest that residents who are permitted "non-standard" mounts get that permission in writing, particularly if such permission is exceptional, and not a part of the property's standard rules for residents.
  12. garypen

    garypen Hall Of Fame/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 1, 2004
    That's because you aren't a selfish pr***.
  13. garypen

    garypen Hall Of Fame/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 1, 2004
    Actually, he's making a valid argument, and merely expressing an opinion. Nothing troll-like in his content or delivery. I can see his point...up to a point. Even Tony, with a hundred and forty two dishes, understands the concerns of his fellow homeowners, and used that consideration when mounting his dish farm.

    BTW, this country was founded on both freedom AND slavery. Our forefathers seemed to enjoy irony.
  14. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Hall Of Fame

    Jan 15, 2004
    In general, people that live in rabbit hutches have to learn to live with the Bu!!$#!t.

    I live in what is, for my area, medium-high density - 2 acre minimum lot size. :D

    The nearest rabbit hutches are in the two cities in the county - 15 and 20 miles away.
  15. moedog

    moedog Legend

    Jun 20, 2003
    Man, there are some real pieces of work posting on this thread. One more time, in my post above, I referred to my future neighbor who had installed a Dish ON MY PROPERTY. The dish was attached to a wall that divides their patio from mine, but hangs directly over my patio and, I might add, directly in front of my upstairs window. If this was the only place they could install the dish and get reception, I probably would look the other way and not say a word. I as far as I can tell, there is no reason the dish could not be installed on their property--there are no obstructions there. I am a tolerant guy and am not a troll. I have been a DISH subscriber for many years and have been most satisfied. As I mentioned in my original post, I opted not to continue with DISH at my new townhouse because I did not wish to deface my own property and because I wanted cable internet. Yes, I have seen a number of condo complexes which have been seriously defaced by dishs. But I do respect government regulations which allow dishs IN AREAS CONTROLLED by the party that installs them. And, oh yeah, I really appreciate the one posters comment about "Rabbit Hutches." Really classy--and I'm the troll?
  16. the_bear

    the_bear Godfather

    Oct 18, 2004
    Recent real estate appreciation has put houses without HOAs out of the financial reach of many Americans. OTARD says, Americans have a right to TV, even if they cannot afford to live in a neighborhood without an HOA.

    Moedog, your neighbor is probably trying increase the size of his balcony under, “squatters rights” :). These are laws that allow “open and hostel” use of someone else’s property to become legal if the property owner fails to prevent the open and hostel use. The easiest solution is “rent”.
  17. djlong

    djlong Hall Of Fame

    Jul 8, 2002
    New Hampshire
    Ironic.. HOAs are supposed to "protect home values" but it's houses WITHOUT HOAs that appreciate more...
  18. mudder1310

    mudder1310 AllStar

    May 15, 2005
    Ironic but could have been seen a million miles coming. No one likes to be told what to do, especially when they own it. It would be one thing for the HOA to make sure Billy Bob doesn't park his truck on blocks in the yard or keep the Mary Kay rep from painting the house pink. It's quite another to restrict basic ownership rights.
  19. garypen

    garypen Hall Of Fame/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 1, 2004
    Moe - Have you asked your neighbor to move it, yet? That should be your first step. Ask nicely if he can move it to the other side of his balcony, actually. If he balks at that, then at least insist he gets it off of your property and wholly within his exclusive-use area. You can show him a copy of the regulations if he has trouble with such clear logic, common sense, and basic concept of considerate behavior.
  20. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
    And (to clarify) the regulations to show him are the HOA regulations. There is nothing in the FCC regulations that requires one's dish only be on their own property. The FCC regulations protect dishes that are entirely on one's own controlled property but doesn't prevent you from putting you antenna elsewhere.

    I doubt that the HOA regulations or zoning/trespass laws allow someone else to place a dish on your property without permission - but the FCC doesn't stop them.

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