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Home-School Child Wins Yet Another National Contest

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Frapp, May 25, 2005.

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  1. cdru

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    No, just schools in general. You know, where they can talk about different topics, play sports, join an organized musical group.

    I think that, in general, most parents aren't capable of providing a quality education like a good teacher could, from K through 12th grade. Maybe in the lower grades, but not in the higher. I know that when I was in high school, my classes and interestes were beyond the scope of what my parent's depth of knowledge covered. My mom deals with finance and my dad with electronics and both have college educations. But neither of them really knew anything other then basic chemestry or biology. Basic pre-calc quickly became over both of their heads. Juding from my typical post here, my kids probably shouldn't come to me for advice on an english paper. A co-worker's wife tried to home school their kids a few year back. All the kids where in the equivilent of elementry school. She quickly realized that while she was intelligent and educated, the depth of material as a whole was over her head to teach.

    It's unfortunate that there are schools that don't have quality teachers and that parents are essentially forced to look elsewhere for quality education. Maybe if I was brought up in such an area my opinion would be different. But I was raised in a decent school system, well educated, and so I don't really have doubts about my kids education as they most likely will be attending the exact same schools I did.

    It wasn't an assumption. It was an opinion. Opinions, by definition, can't really be wrong or false, because, well, it's an opinion and not a fact. It's just what my thought are. And it wasn't even an opinion of the group as a whole. It was just the opinion of one person that happens to be a part of that group that reminds me of her.
     
  2. TNGTony

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    That is not what you wrote above. You made a blanket statement which I refuted, then you covered it up by stating it's your opinion and NOW you say it was only about the one person. I cannot speak of the one person and do not doubt that one case. I speak of over 40 kids I saw at work weekly and their level of maturity and social interaction.

    As to the "opinions can't be wrong"
    "Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof"
    Opinion: The Earth is flat. I have never seen the world from outer space so I think it's a fraud.
    Opinion: The moon is made of cheese and there was never a moon landing.
    Opinion: Interstates are slower than driving surface streets for long trips.
    Opinion: Opinions can't possibly be wrong because I happen to beleive it. Therefore it is true.
    Opinion: Home school kids are home schooled because, in general, their parents want to hermit them from society.

    Every one of these opinions are WRONG. People can hold on to them if they wish, but there is no law against ignorance!

    See ya
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  3. RJS1111111

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    RJS believes that TNGTony needs to lighten up a little on cdru! :yesman:
     
  4. TNGTony

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    I'll lighten up when statements made are not changed constantly to fit the argument while at the same time holding on to an indefensible position with religious fervor. I will correct myself here though. Where I said these "opinions are wrong", I should have written, "all of these opinions have the same validity."

    I will not let downright incorrect statements on this subject to go by unrefuted.

    See ya
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  5. Bogy

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    No Child Left Behind did an amazingly good job of taking control of the schools away from local authorities and parents.
     
  6. Roger

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    Public Schools (Government Training Centers) molds children to be slaves. Instead of teaching them history they are taught social studies; instead of teaching them about the Constitution they are taught about the UN; and, instead of teaching them about God they teach them secular humanism.

    Here are some qoutes:

    We want one class to have a liberal education. We want another class, a very much larger class of necessity, to forgo the privilege of a liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks.
    Woodrow Wilson speech to businessmen before the First World War

    The chief end was to “impose on the young the ideal of subordination”.
    Benjamin Kidd, British evolutionist 1918

    “’Survival of the fittest is nature’s way of producing beauty,’” said Rockefeller Sr. As a principal stockholder in U.S. Steel, he approved of school experiments in Gary, Indiana, to dumb down curriculum, seek more effective means of mind control.”
    Rockefeller Foundation

    …emphasis be shifted away from history to something safer called “social studies;” the thrust was away from any careful consideration of the past so that attention might be focused on the future.
    Interim NEA report 1917

    In his 1905 dissertation for Columbia Teachers College, Elwood Cubberly—the future Dean of Education at Stanford—wrote that schools should be factories "in which raw products, children, are to be shaped and formed into finished products...manufactured like nails, and the specifications for manufacturing will come from government and industry."

    The Rockefeller Education Board—which funded the creation of numerous public schools—issued a statement which read in part:

    "In our dreams...people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present educational conventions [intellectual and character education] fade from our minds, and unhampered by tradition we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, educators, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians, nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have ample supply. The task we set before ourselves is very simple...we will organize children...and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way."

    The 10th plan of the Communist Manifesto states: "Free education for all children in public schools."

    We had success in literacy rates in the late 1800's without a formal or government involvement, not to mention not pissing trillions down the drain with lousy results. I'd say you're a weirdo for sending your children to the government training centers rather than home school.
     
  7. Bogy

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    Roger, do you have any kids? Have you been in a school in the past 10 years? Or do you just spend your days reading conspiracy theory on weird web sites? :lol:
     
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    Roger is right, but that doesn't fit the liberal's view of an idealistic world.

    The fastest way to turn a left-wing dove into a right-wing hawk is to threaten his family, but until some thug smashes down the door and menaces his wife and children, the liberal lives on in his comfy little dream world oblivious to the dangerous realities all around.
     
  9. Richard King

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  10. Bogy

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    I've never really felt any of my children's teachers were threatening them. Not a single one has smashed down my door and threatened my wife and children. Are you and Roger sharing medication Nick? Right wingers are so paranoid. Must come from drinking fluoride. :lol:
     
  11. Richard King

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    Please, don't call Roger a "right winger". Real right wingers might take offense. :lol:
     
  12. Bogy

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    I'm sorry, its just SO hard to know what Roger is. I just know that there is no way I am claiming or accepting him as a left winger. :lol: I guess Roger is off on his own branch. :D
     
  13. Richard King

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    Let's see if we can figure this one out... He's not a right winger, he's not a left winger.... he must be one of those middle of the roaders. Ineresting. :lol:
     
  14. djlong

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    There's no doubt that there are some sad-sack school districts out there that probably fit Roger's mold.

    Fortunately, I can say that the Hudson NH district isn't one of them.

    Most of the schools in NH are locally controlled. We actually turn away federal money so that we don't have to deal with the attached strings. And because we keep things under local control, we're able to provide a better education for half the cost of our neighbors to the south in MA.

    NH constantly ranks in the top 5% in literacy, and our SAT scores, last I checked, were also way above average.

    Our schools are funded mostly from the local property tax so people come to the Town Meetings to have a say in just how those tax dollars are spent.

    In a combined 19 years of this school system (one daughter graduating HS this year, the other is in 7th grade), we can count on one hand the number of "bad teachers". 3 - and two of them were from this year. One god-awful history teacher and one arrogant, myopic math teacher.
     
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    Perhaps NH should add "Driver's ED" to the curriculum. ;)

    :D
     
  16. Bogy

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    No, Roger is definately not middle of the road. I think he's out on the tail someplace.
     
  17. djlong

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    When I was in High School, Driver's Ed *was* on the curriculum as a "half credit" course. (circa 1978)
     
  18. Roger

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    You guys are pretty funny. Bogy, I went to a government training center and I was lucky enough to escape their programming. This is not to say that all teachers are intentionally bad people, they were just trained by the elite foundations who took over their training facilities with their millions of dollars of donations over the years. The same foundations that bought the colleges now write the textbooks.

    I tell you what, I’m not against the young people of today because they’re stupid and it’s not their fault. I do not put any blame on them when they’re being programmed by the government training centers, TV, pop culture, and lack parents who will educate them and teach them morals. Today, the public schools are now nothing more than baby-sitters while both parents (if they have both) are out chasing their god, money. And if they’re too young to attend school then the electronic baby-sitter (TV) is used until they push in all day babysitting (Kindergarten) every where in this country. So instead of being brought up by their parents, they have TV then/and the government training centers to raise the kids and it’s no wonder why this country and world is going to hell.

    I think it was funny how you tried to label me. You can’t tell or decide if I’m left or right. Well... I’m not sure how to label myself because I now get less argument from both sides so I must be somewhere in the middle.
     
  19. Bogy

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    Well, if you can't figure it out, how are we supposed to?

    I heard a report today that IQ levels in America are rising steadily. So much for kids today being stupid. Perhaps some of you need to come into contact with more kids.

    As for contest winners, this years Scripps National Spelling Bee winner is Anurag Kashyap. He attends Meadowbrook Middle School in Poway, California.
    Spelling Bee Winner Bio

    Of the contestants this year, 173 attend public school, 34 are home schooled, 38 attend private schools, 25 attend Parochial schools, and 3 attend Charter schools.Spelling Bee Statistics
     
  20. Richard King

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    The statistics you cite (not site, not sight) don't speak well for public schools.
     
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