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Discussion in 'Hopper System Support Forum' started by jerry downing, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    That's normal. Not to worry.
     
  2. 356B

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    If you knew me you would quickly realize very little about me is normal...:D
     
  3. James Long

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    The length of time can vary depending on what the "end user" is doing with their machine. Even the techie should understand that nothing downloads (beyond present/next EPG) when all satellite tuners are in use. I doubt many new users are going to set up the system then turn it off for several hours while it updates. Even after downloading the latest firmware and the full guide it seems that the receiver is taking more than a few hours to process the data.

    Firmware also changes over time ... perhaps when P Smith got his it worked differently than when 356B got his and when I got mine. P Smith seems to be the late adopter of the three ... has the firmware not changed since P Smith installed his unit? I believe it has. So even the P Smith experience could be considered dated.

    First impressions mean a lot and I wish that Hoppers worked better the day they were first connected but experience has shown that they work better the next day. Some people have reported problems on the next day that cleared up on the day after. The advice to "give it time and the receiver will settle in" is valid.

    (And for those problems that don't clear up we hope the next firmware version will help.)
     
  4. 356B

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    That's kind of how I see and have seen it, but exercise is good for me...:sure:
     
  5. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    While I'm try to stick with coming data and code inside of the specialized Linux PC with tuners, you are blurring picture with smoke and mirrors. Noting solid, no real reasoning against my points. Someone would bring act of God or Allah into it, if we will continue in same manner. :D
     
  6. James Long

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    What is your basis for saying four to five hours? It does not take four to five hours for the full EPG to download to the receiver. Can you ACCURATELY point to something in the data or engineering that supports four to five hours vs 24? I do not believe you can.

    So we are left with observation. It has been observed by many users that the Hopper works better the next day than it did on the day of install. "Give it time" seems to be supported by your claim of "four to five hours" ... so all we are arguing over is the length of time. A few hours or a day.
     
  7. P Smith

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    I think you could turn on that function for EEPG monitoring if you'll pick right tpn of 119W.
    If not, find my old posts when JohnH questioned me on same matter a couple years ago. You'll see the time, size, etc for EEPG spool.
    Oh, just in case if you don't know how STB OS working, it would take only relevant part of whole EEPG. Size of it I did post later when I took a look into 813's file system.

    Actually, I could provide more details what is gathering during recommended 24 hrs interval, but ... giving thought about my posts from you with skewed constant followup I wouldn't.
     
  8. James Long

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    I'll keep it simple: How long does it take the EEPG to download into the receiver? 5-10 minutes or 4-5 hours?
     
  9. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Tune to that tpn, see what bit-rate of PID 0300h, get actual EPG file size from 622, 922 or 813's drive and calculate. I'm not going to spoon-feed naysayers or devil advocates. :D
     
  10. James Long

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    That is OK ... I'm not going to force you to testify against yourself.

    Anyone who has waited for their receiver to download the EEPG knows it doesn't take 4-5 hours (once the download begins). :rolleyes:
     
  11. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Just to avoid putting words in my mouth by some helpers: I mentioned INTERVAL, not duration.
     
  12. James Long

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    And just for the record (read it above) I asked what your basis for 4-5 hours was and you mentioned EEPG.

    So what is your basis for saying four to five hours? It does not take four to five hours for the full EPG to download to the receiver (you have just confirmed that). Can you ACCURATELY point to something in the data or engineering that supports four to five hours vs 24? I do not believe you can.

    If you are going to blame the search problem on a lack of EEPG download then your excuse dies as soon as the EEPG downloads. You need a better excuse.
     
  13. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    As I said, are you reading ? JohnH bickered same way, but did keep silence when I posted all the relevant info. He is RIP, but you are alive and can read that posts again. Or not willing ?

    Ask dish engineers and disprove my words.

    Funny, you have the tool to bring current schedule for EEPG, but continue pressurize me here.
     
  14. James Long

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    Funny how you can't provide a simple link but instead want to insult the living and the dead.

    I asked YOU a specific question which YOU have refused to give a straight answer to. You seem to be the problem here.
     
  15. P Smith

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    I said I gave precise answer to JohnH (don't make me looks bad, I didn't insult him) awhile ago, you can get that info from old posts. But you still picking on me.
    As to direct URL, I don't have it, so it would be same Search for you as for me.

    Oh, yeah. I said all info already posted in different threads/posts. And sometimes I'm reposing or do search my own posts to provide quotes or URLs to ppl who are listening and not telling on each my post - "NO". No one will continue giving a hand when other side repeatedly putting a dirt in it and telling how dirty its owner.
     
  16. James Long

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    Not really ... you would know which one of your thousands of posts you were referring to. For all I know it could have been a PM that I could never find. You can continue to refuse to answer the question with such distractions. Kind of pointless, but as I already stated, I'm not going to force you to testify against yourself.
     
  17. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    I'm done.
     
  18. 3HaloODST

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    Well when I installed Hopper #3 it took about 24 hours for search to function, and that was just last June. I don't see why one should cherry pick the exact amount of time that it takes but it is a safe bet that it will work properly in 24 hours.
     

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